cycdude6 Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 I'm considering the purchase of a Dynojet Power Commander for my '04 Ballabio with M4 cans and a K&N filter. The bike runs pretty good with the M4's though it seems driveability could be better at lower throttle openings. In addition, I would like to improve the fuel mileage numbers from 36-38 mpg to the mid forties if possible. The bike does seem to be running a little rich, if I go by the light black soot in the pipes. So..... 1) Which power commander? The ones I've found are listed for '01 to '02 bikes. 2) Should I have the bike dynoed? The guy who dynoed my '01 Vstrom did a poor job...I was able to better his efforts using the adjustment buttons not to mention it was pretty expensive. Thanks all! John in Connecticut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLAN Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I Had an '04 Lemans with M4 cans and PC; I was also using Mike Rich Hi-Compression pistons. I had a custom map done by a guy who knows how to make the V11's run perfectly. I got 42 -48 mpg, depending. The bike ran absolutely perfect from 'bottom' to 'top.' I'm certain he could offer you useful advise. Give him a call; Mickey Cohen Motorsports @ 714-993-5000. Tell Mickey that 'Allan' suggested you phone him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland3210 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 I'm considering the purchase of a Dynojet Power Commander for my '04 Ballabio with M4 cans and a K&N filter. The bike runs pretty good with the M4's though it seems driveability could be better at lower throttle openings. In addition, I would like to improve the fuel mileage numbers from 36-38 mpg to the mid forties if possible. The bike does seem to be running a little rich, if I go by the light black soot in the pipes. So.....1) Which power commander? The ones I've found are listed for '01 to '02 bikes. 2) Should I have the bike dynoed? The guy who dynoed my '01 Vstrom did a poor job...I was able to better his efforts using the adjustment buttons not to mention it was pretty expensive. Thanks all! John in Connecticut A piece of advice, in case you haven't thought of it: Even though I only had about 1300 miles on my '04, I did the valve adjustment and then the TPS calibration and throttle body synchronization procedure. It ran fine beforehand, but afterwards, better idle, and economy improved from 38 to 42mpg. The main reason I'm suggesting you do this before you have the dyno tuning done, is not only to improve things, but to avoid the risk of dyno tuning the bike with offset TPS and unbalanced throttles. Later on, if they are recalibrated and synchronized, you would actually be detuning. If you think the valves may need adjusting, or the plugs need changing, do that as well before the dyno tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy Hawaii Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 A piece of advice, in case you haven't thought of it: Even though I only had about 1300 miles on my '04, I did the valve adjustment and then the TPS calibration and throttle body synchronization procedure. I ran fine beforehand, but afterwards, better idle, and economy improved from 38 to 42mpg. The main reason I'm suggesting you do this before you have the dyno tuning done, is not only to improve things, but to avoid the risk of dyno tuning the bike with offset TPS and unbalanced throttles. Later on, if they are recalibrated and synchronized, you would actually be detuning. If you think the valves may need adjusting, or the plugs need changing, do that as well before the dyno tuning. I bought my 2000 Sport with only 2k miles on it. The previous owner installed a Power Commander to rid of "hick ups"... It got 28 miles to the gall., ... I took the Commander of and synchronized the throttles, whow what a difference, re-installed the Commander and things got even better... about 40 miles now... I feel the manual adjustment worked just fine for me... I think the message is that if your bike does not run well,or at least has no major..."hick ups" like mine... don't waste money for the Dyno tuning,... safe riding Hardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil_P Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Remember that a Power Commander will only correct deficiencies in your fuelling. It WON'T make up for a badly maintained bike that is lacking base line set up such as valve clearances, TPS setting and throttle body balancing. It is not bolt on horsepower, and to get the very best from it requires time and/or knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland3210 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Remember that a Power Commander will only correct deficiencies in your fuelling. It WON'T make up for a badly maintained bike that is lacking base line set up such as valve clearances, TPS setting and throttle body balancing. It is not bolt on horsepower, and to get the very best from it requires time and/or knowledge. The danger is that if dyno tuning with a Power Commander is done with skill, it is likely to make up to some extent for baseline setup deviations and produce some improvement. The rider may be led to believe that's as good as it gets. That's why I encouraged John in Connecticut to get the baseline right first. BTW, I thought the Power Commander also provided for adjusting the ignition timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 BTW, I thought the Power Commander also provided for adjusting the ignition timing. You cannot adjust timing on the V11 with a PCIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland3210 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 You cannot adjust timing on the V11 with a PCIII. That's too bad. Based on some of the maps I've seen while doing the TPS/Synch method development, there are some suspicious anomalies in the mapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchCityBallabio Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Your best bet for a PCIII is to contact Todd Eagan at Guzzitech. He'll take your mods, and map the PCIII for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Field Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 We can do the same at Moto International. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland3210 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 We can do the same at Moto International. Greg, Do you have a map for my '04 with Staintunes and airbox cover modifications? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Field Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Ryland: I will check and get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerX Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Your best bet for a PCIII is to contact Todd Eagan at Guzzitech. He'll take your mods, and map the PCIII for you. Thanks much... be sure to read the top paragraph here; http://www.guzzitech.com/PCIII-15M.html Ryland3210, be happy to get your straightened out. I just spent the last two days in Vegas at DynoJet, and there is some exciting news coming early next year for all of us, including the newest Guzzis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRENTTODD Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Has anyone had any tunning done at ferracci. They are located very close to my home. If they arent up to par i dont work with them i will go to someone else I Know they do great work on ducs but are they just as good on Guzzis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitchCityBallabio Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 If you must go with a Power Commando, I'd be more comfortable working with a licensed business and a reputable dealer, like Moto International. They've been around for a long time and would stand behind their work. Besides, they really seem to care about the Guzzi community. It sounds like you're implying Guzzitech is not reputable. I couldn't disagree more. I've had excellent service from Todd and he has been quite available for all my questions. Shipping has been prompt and pricing fair. With regards to the PCIII.... GuzziTech.com is the Technical Advisor for Dynojet for all Guzzi PCIIIs.We are the ones that pushed for the PCIIIusb, spent our time to develop most of the maps available everywhere online, and we will help you with final map tweaks via e-mail/endless e-mail support, etc. Units are shipped pre-mapped, one plug in and go. How do you get much more reputable than that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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