Pressureangle Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 I'm going to set up a small bottle in line with the breather, and clean out the airbox completely again just to run an experiment. There's nothing to say that these two possibilities are mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinus89 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Just a sidenote: the V11's breather condensing system is indeed good, but also has it's limitations of course. I've heard that V11's sometimes wear their piston rings quite quickly. My V11 is also showing slightly worn piston rings (i.e. some blowby into the crankcase and thus breather) at 36.000km... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 Pressureangle, I’m really interested in the result of your intermediate oil trap experiment. I can’t believe the amount of oil in my air box and in the throttle bodies is right. Either someone has grossly overfilled my bike with oil at some stage, or the rings are worn (unlikely on a 9000 mile motor) or there is something else wrong. I’m going to finish doing the service, make sure everything is set up properly and the oil is not overfilled, then I’m going to monitor the air box contents Out of interest, if there is anyone on the forum who has worked on a lot of different v11’s have they seen this on many bikes? I’m particularly interested in whether they have found black oily gunk all through the throttle bodies, inlet manifold and inlet tract in the head? The gunk is thick but not burnt on and hard. Very odd, never seen anything like it before 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pressureangle Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Pressureangle, I’m really interested in the result of your intermediate oil trap experiment. I can’t believe the amount of oil in my air box and in the throttle bodies is right. Either someone has grossly overfilled my bike with oil at some stage, or the rings are worn (unlikely on a 9000 mile motor) or there is something else wrong. I’m going to finish doing the service, make sure everything is set up properly and the oil is not overfilled, then I’m going to monitor the air box contents Out of interest, if there is anyone on the forum who has worked on a lot of different v11’s have they seen this on many bikes? I’m particularly interested in whether they have found black oily gunk all through the throttle bodies, inlet manifold and inlet tract in the head? The gunk is thick but not burnt on and hard. Very odd, never seen anything like it before When I was going through the Sport upon it's arrival, I found the airbox full of tar, and it took 4-5 times of very serious chemical assault to clean the mung out of the TBs and throttle plates. I used an entire can of carburetor cleaner, and nearly an entire can of TB/intake specific cleaner to get 95% of it out. I've never seen anything like it. The odometer showed only ~20k miles, but the bike's obviously been down so it's possible it isn't the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Tar is a brilliant description. That’s exactly what is was like. I’d love to know if “they are all like that sir” or whether this is unusual..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Phil Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Pressureangle, I’m really interested in the result of your intermediate oil trap experiment. I can’t believe the amount of oil in my air box and in the throttle bodies is right. Either someone has grossly overfilled my bike with oil at some stage, or the rings are worn (unlikely on a 9000 mile motor) or there is something else wrong. I’m going to finish doing the service, make sure everything is set up properly and the oil is not overfilled, then I’m going to monitor the air box contents Out of interest, if there is anyone on the forum who has worked on a lot of different v11’s have they seen this on many bikes? I’m particularly interested in whether they have found black oily gunk all through the throttle bodies, inlet manifold and inlet tract in the head? The gunk is thick but not burnt on and hard. Very odd, never seen anything like it before When I was going through the Sport upon it's arrival, I found the airbox full of tar, and it took 4-5 times of very serious chemical assault to clean the mung out of the TBs and throttle plates. I used an entire can of carburetor cleaner, and nearly an entire can of TB/intake specific cleaner to get 95% of it out. I've never seen anything like it. The odometer showed only ~20k miles, but the bike's obviously been down so it's possible it isn't the original. Can I suggest you buy a small ultrasonic cleaner off ebay ( they are very affordable) to make this job and many others very quick and easy. Ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pressureangle Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Pressureangle, I’m really interested in the result of your intermediate oil trap experiment. I can’t believe the amount of oil in my air box and in the throttle bodies is right. Either someone has grossly overfilled my bike with oil at some stage, or the rings are worn (unlikely on a 9000 mile motor) or there is something else wrong. I’m going to finish doing the service, make sure everything is set up properly and the oil is not overfilled, then I’m going to monitor the air box contents Out of interest, if there is anyone on the forum who has worked on a lot of different v11’s have they seen this on many bikes? I’m particularly interested in whether they have found black oily gunk all through the throttle bodies, inlet manifold and inlet tract in the head? The gunk is thick but not burnt on and hard. Very odd, never seen anything like it before When I was going through the Sport upon it's arrival, I found the airbox full of tar, and it took 4-5 times of very serious chemical assault to clean the mung out of the TBs and throttle plates. I used an entire can of carburetor cleaner, and nearly an entire can of TB/intake specific cleaner to get 95% of it out. I've never seen anything like it. The odometer showed only ~20k miles, but the bike's obviously been down so it's possible it isn't the original. Can I suggest you buy a small ultrasonic cleaner off ebay ( they are very affordable) to make this job and many others very quick and easy. Ciao you mean as in *take it apart*? I'll apply the 80/20 rule any time 80% is 100% serviceable and invisible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Phil Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Pressureangle, I’m really interested in the result of your intermediate oil trap experiment. I can’t believe the amount of oil in my air box and in the throttle bodies is right. Either someone has grossly overfilled my bike with oil at some stage, or the rings are worn (unlikely on a 9000 mile motor) or there is something else wrong. I’m going to finish doing the service, make sure everything is set up properly and the oil is not overfilled, then I’m going to monitor the air box contents Out of interest, if there is anyone on the forum who has worked on a lot of different v11’s have they seen this on many bikes? I’m particularly interested in whether they have found black oily gunk all through the throttle bodies, inlet manifold and inlet tract in the head? The gunk is thick but not burnt on and hard. Very odd, never seen anything like it before When I was going through the Sport upon it's arrival, I found the airbox full of tar, and it took 4-5 times of very serious chemical assault to clean the mung out of the TBs and throttle plates. I used an entire can of carburetor cleaner, and nearly an entire can of TB/intake specific cleaner to get 95% of it out. I've never seen anything like it. The odometer showed only ~20k miles, but the bike's obviously been down so it's possible it isn't the original. Can I suggest you buy a small ultrasonic cleaner off ebay ( they are very affordable) to make this job and many others very quick and easy. Ciao you mean as in *take it apart*? I'll apply the 80/20 rule any time 80% is 100% serviceable and invisible. Not sure I understand but yes, take the TB's off and ultrasonic them. No need to disassemble them just clean them as a pair. Removal and refitting is therapeutic, its shed time, mans time,red wine and musing time, reflection time. Time well spent:) Ciao 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pressureangle Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I have a '74 Aermacchi 350 and '71 Fastback Commando apart for that. This one is for riding. (I'm in S.FL so no winter off season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 I agree that if I need to clean the muck out again it would be easier to pull the TBs off the bike and clean them on the bench. The only reason I didn’t do them that way this time was that the mounting bolts under the TBs were REALLY tight and I didn’t want to shear one and have the hassle of fixing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 For whatever reason , Moto Guzzi designed the throttle bodies to remain as a an assembly and be removed/replaced together. At least on my RedFrame, this cannot be accomplished with out crabbing the frame slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share Posted June 6, 2018 Update on my original oil in the air box issue that I discovered when is serviced my new to me V11 for the first time.........1000 miles of riding since doing a major service and tune up on the bike and I just pulled the air box lid to find.................completely clean and dry HURRAH! The problem must have been a previous owner grossly over filling the oil (likely) or wheelying the bike a lot (unlikely), either way, I am very happy about it BTW I pulled the tank because the speedo cable snapped! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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