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13 minutes ago, Lucky Phil said:

Correct me if I'm wrong with the OP's original issue but the Guzzidiag "reader" file has nothing to do with Guzzidia connecting. The "reader" file or software is for reading and downloading the ECU map file in a .bin format so that it can be read and manipulated in human format in Tunerpro as required. You then use the Guzzidiag writer to re write the modified maps.

The Guzzidiag software is a separate stand alone  software and allows you to see what parameters the ECU is seeing in real time and make adjustments to the CO for example on the 15m and on later ECU reset the throttle base setting and turn the closed and open loop on and off and also read and clear faults on all ecu's.

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Hey Phil,     Yes you're right, the guzzidiag is a stand alone program, but the chip in the cable needs a driver to function so guzzidiag can see, connect and read the ECU, guzzidiag alone without a driver for the cable won't be able do do that, afaik.

                    The GD reader driver will perform this driver function on the chip and I think accepted best practice now is to load this driver instead of the FTDI CDM driver.

                     Iirc the latest tutorials mention quite a few times to use GD reader rather than the supplied/available cable driver.

                     fwiw

                    Kelly

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Not sure, I'm a bit of a computer Luddite I just know it's been faultless with me. I did however spend a LOT of time researching Guzzidiag on the wildguzzi forum and the Guzzi.de forum where the peopl

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The very first time I used GD on my Griso, I could see everything, but not connect with the ecu on the bike, I screwed around for 3-4 hrs, double checking everything, but it was only when I found the

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31 minutes ago, 80CX100 said:

Hey Phil,     Yes you're right, the guzzidiag is a stand alone program, but the chip in the cable needs a driver to function so guzzidiag can see, connect and read the ECU, guzzidiag alone without a driver for the cable won't be able do do that, afaik.

                    The GD reader driver will perform this driver function on the chip and I think accepted best practice now is to load this driver instead of the FTDI CDM driver.

                     Iirc the latest tutorials mention quite a few times to use GD reader rather than the supplied/available cable driver.

                     fwiw

                    Kelly

Yes understood, but aren't these the cable drivers require? not the reader/writer programs.

If you buy the approved KKL Guzzi adaptor then it loads its own driver for the cable and if you use the non approved for want of a better phrase USB-KKL Adaptor then you should use the one indicated here, 2.08.14 or it will automatically load a net based version which can be problematical?

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45 minutes ago, Lucky Phil said:

Yes understood, but aren't these the cable drivers require? not the reader/writer programs.

If you buy the approved KKL Guzzi adaptor then it loads its own driver for the cable and if you use the non approved for want of a better phrase USB-KKL Adaptor then you should use the one indicated here, 2.08.14 or it will automatically load a net based version which can be problematical?

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My understanding is there are a whole bunch of different cables and drivers that were used and can be used; some worked, some didn't, but that the Lonelec cables were the most likely to work trouble free without issues. That seems to be the confirmed by feedback from other users.

Further along that line of thinking the GD reader was the least problematic driver to use with the Lonelec cable.

You brought up a point about Windows searching on the net for drivers, I forgot to mention it to the OP, but I disabled/turned off my modem on my laptop when I tried to use GD to prevent any issues.

Initially, I had a very hard time getting Windows 10 to allow me to open GD reader, whenever I just double clicked on GD reader to open, Windows 10 kept recognizing it as a threat and deleted the file, I had to reload it a few times, and learned to right click,,, open,,, then read,,, that procedure seemed to work around Windows 10 security from blocking it's installation.

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4 minutes ago, 80CX100 said:

My understanding is there are a whole bunch of different cables and drivers that were used and can be used; some worked, some didn't, but that the Lonelec cables were the most likely to work trouble free without issues. That seems to be the confirmed by feedback from other users.

Further along that line of thinking the GD reader was the least problematic driver to use with the Lonelec cable.

You brought up a point about Windows searching on the net for drivers, I forgot to mention it to the OP, but I disabled/turned off my modem on my laptop when I tried to use GD to prevent any issues.

Initially, I had a very hard time getting Windows 10 to allow me to open GD reader, whenever I just double clicked on GD reader to open, Windows 10 kept recognizing it as a threat and deleted the file, I had to reload it a few times, and learned to right click,,, open,,, then read,,, that procedure seemed to work around Windows 10 security from blocking it's installation.

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Same here but window didn't delete just a warning pop up and when you selected "further info" you then clicked "run anyway" and away it went. maybe thats something for the OP to consider. 

But the original point? What is shown in my image are the cable drivers and not the reader/writer. Unless I accidentally stumbled my way through it you can use guzzidiag without downloading the reader writers. I'm sure I correct on that. Some people will never want to download their map/.bin file and just want GD for general tune up purposes.

Happy to be proven wrong because I'm no computer wiz, but.

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Have you read Mark's instructions over at Griso.org. ? If not do so. It might be worth reaching out to him as well. Despite his reputation he doesn't bite!:lol:

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4 hours ago, Lucky Phil said:

Same here but window didn't delete just a warning pop up and when you selected "further info" you then clicked "run anyway" and away it went. maybe thats something for the OP to consider. 

But the original point? What is shown in my image are the cable drivers and not the reader/writer. Unless I accidentally stumbled my way through it you can use guzzidiag without downloading the reader writers. I'm sure I correct on that. Some people will never want to download their map/.bin file and just want GD for general tune up purposes.

Happy to be proven wrong because I'm no computer wiz, but.

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     Hey Phil,     As I've said a few times here and other threads, I'm reluctant to offer advice on something I know so little about, but I sense the OP's frustration, I've btdt.

           I don't think you accidently stumbled through it at all; you had a good set of cables, with good drivers and luckily your laptop's OS gave you a warning and the option to run and install the chip driver. You're right, with all that working, GD can operate for tune ups without a reader installed. I think that early on, that was considered the best practice.with GD.

           Iirc, from the latest tutorials, the consensus seems to be, the best practice now, to eliminate confusion and conflicts with the OS and GD, is to disregard loading the chip driver and just install the appropriate GD reader file to drive the chip/cable. 

           The first time I used GD on my Griso, I was 5 minutes hooking the computer/cable/bike up, but it was 5 frustrating hours of double checking my set up and rereading instructions before I finally launched the appropriate GD reader to drive the chip and was able to see the ECU on my bike, for some u/k reason, Bill Gates and MS liked the 5M? GD reader file and allowed me to double click the file and open it.

          At that point I figured I had it nailed and knew what I was doing and it would be smooth sailing using GD going forward,;it wasn't.

          When I tried to launch the GD 15x reader file to work on my CalVin, Bill Gates and MS decided it was a threat and deleted the file, you got the courtesy of a warning, I didn't get that; no pop up, no warning, nothing, the GD 15x reader file just vanished, deleted from my laptop, because Bill and MS determined it was a threat and knew what was best.

          I had to reload GD 15x reader file and watch it vanish a few times, before I figured out how to work around Bill Gates and MS, and that was without another chip driver loaded confusing the OS system.

          That's why I made the suggestion to the OP of cleaning up the chip driver files from his computer. MS 10 in the past has obviously caused problems looking at only one driver and puked,,,, throw a 2nd driver into the mix to confuse the issue, and I can see MS 10 puking and throwing  a hissy fit and possibly doing that without giving you any warning or other options, btdt.

     GD is an amazing tool and empowers guzzi owners to do things that owners of other brands can only dream about.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely grateful to Beard, the generous genius, and everyone else involved in GD's creation and evolution, but as a Luddite easily frustrated by all things digital, when I see other people struggling with it, I'll offer what little I can.

    I'm in agreement, if it ain't broke don't fix it, you've got a good set of cables and drivers and it's working for you, the OP's not there yet.

    I'm confident that the OP will get GD going, I suspect it's probably MS10 blocking things in the background and throwing the FTDI CDM driver into the mix just muddies murky waters even more..

    fwiw

    Kelly

          

           

      

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