bbolesaz Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Moto Guzzi’s Liquid-Cooled V100 Mandello | Cycle World 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I agree 100% with Giuseppe from the same article- Giuseppe Grisi 20 hours ago All that is well and good. Maybe. Fair question: Can Gooz execute? Fact is they prototyped this motor what 25 years ago? And the look, the vibe of the bike recalls an awkward take on the regrettably failed Terreblanche experiment. They'd be way better off today if they'd had the ball bearings to roll with it. It's all indicative of a company missing the backbone to lead. Yes, Guzzi is sometimes nice on design and dynamics, but just abysmal on execution. At the end of the day Gooz reliably fails and shows contempt for its customers by pumping out poorly assembled, poorly executed, not ready for prime-time bikes. Don't believe me? Three little words. Griso valve train. Look it up. And I'm going to beat on that drum and add: Griso electrics. Griso lubrication. This all applies to Stelvio as well. Don't get me started on dealerships, service, the Roadside Contempt Program. So until someone can persuade me that Mandello has implemented a well-funded and serious program to vet components, vendors, assembly line performance and invests in a serious way on building the dealer network, the answer is: non tra un milione di anni Hey, three time Gooz owner here. Just fired up a couple of them for the first time this year. So I've been there, rode that, got the toolbox to prove it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowRyter Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 K cameron's take https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 hours ago, bbolesaz said: Moto Guzzi’s Liquid-Cooled V100 Mandello | Cycle World 2 minutes ago, LowRyter said: K cameron's take https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/moto-guzzi-liquid-cooled-v100-mandello-engine-technical-information/ Both links go to the same article. I've always enjoyed Kevin Cameron's technical perspective, so looking forward to reading this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedfrog Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 hours ago, bbolesaz said: Moto Guzzi’s Liquid-Cooled V100 Mandello | Cycle World Great article by the great Kevin Cameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_roethlisberger Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 And this... yep, if I even were to consider this, I'd wait 2-3 years to see what bugs get worked out, and what other models show up. Quote Charles Engels 6 hours ago Riders will be drawn to this bike because of its looks which everyone would agree Guzzi hit the high mark on this one. But like choosing a spouse, there’s a lot more to consider with this bike than it’s looks. Wait a couple years and see what the initial buyers are discovering about the quality of this new engine that uses “100%” new parts not used in any other engine in the past. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiomick Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 I enjoyed the article. It looks like some actual research went into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footgoose Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, audiomick said: I enjoyed the article. It looks like some actual research went into it. Yes they did seem to take it seriously. Kevin was either bored or genuinely interested. I wonder how many reviews of every new ICE bike will begin with "and it's not electric" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowRyter Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 I found some interesting info from Cameron. The new Guzzi and my Duc 939 make similar horsepower over the same rev range and I learned a little about some similarities. My Ducati is called an "11 degree" engine, meaning mild cam duration with only 11 degree of overlap. It seems both bikes have mild overlap but due lightweight valve train, still have high lift cams. The Guzzi has finger followers whereas the Duc is a desmo. This gives a wide power band and low emissions. More overlap would mean peakier power at higher rpms and higher emissions. The high lift cam still gets good airflow and power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete roper Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 8 hours ago, Joe said: I agree 100% with Giuseppe from the same article- Giuseppe Grisi 20 hours ago All that is well and good. Maybe. Fair question: Can Gooz execute? Fact is they prototyped this motor what 25 years ago? And the look, the vibe of the bike recalls an awkward take on the regrettably failed Terreblanche experiment. They'd be way better off today if they'd had the ball bearings to roll with it. It's all indicative of a company missing the backbone to lead. Yes, Guzzi is sometimes nice on design and dynamics, but just abysmal on execution. At the end of the day Gooz reliably fails and shows contempt for its customers by pumping out poorly assembled, poorly executed, not ready for prime-time bikes. Don't believe me? Three little words. Griso valve train. Look it up. And I'm going to beat on that drum and add: Griso electrics. Griso lubrication. This all applies to Stelvio as well. Don't get me started on dealerships, service, the Roadside Contempt Program. So until someone can persuade me that Mandello has implemented a well-funded and serious program to vet components, vendors, assembly line performance and invests in a serious way on building the dealer network, the answer is: non tra un milione di anni Hey, three time Gooz owner here. Just fired up a couple of them for the first time this year. So I've been there, rode that, got the toolbox to prove it. While I'll accept the flat tappet fiasco was a disaster in many ways I don't know what he's gibbering about about electrics or lubrication? As for dealerships? Well, yes. And roadside assistance? If you get sucked in by that shit you deserve everything you get! No idea 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biesel Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 "While I'll accept the flat tappet fiasco was a disaster in many ways I don't know what he's gibbering about about electrics or lubrication?" I guess: No grease on shock linkage + startus interruptus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_roethlisberger Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Spec Showdown: Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello Vs. Honda NT1100 A slugfest for sport-touring supremacy. https://www.rideapart.com/news/656712/spec-showdown-motoguzziv100mandello-vs-hondant1100/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiomick Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Nice article, but everyone knows that a Guzzi is better than a Honda, don't they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedfrog Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Guzzis have a soul, Hondas have a chain... 1 hour ago, audiomick said: A Guzzi is better than a Honda Not to mention better looking! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_roethlisberger Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 And the accessories are already coming for the V100: https://evotech-performance.com/products/ep-radiator-guard-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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