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Hi
Just some info for you guys who needs a power commander or an ecu change, the ecu from cliff jeffries is good stuff, I fitted it on my bike and after tuning it the sports 1100i really flies, No more hiccups, good throttle response at low rpms2 to 3k , strong midrange and fantastic top end, I seriously have not idea the sports can be that powerful. throttle response and power is linear and the whole bike is just transformed . Also idles extremely well at 1100 rpm of therabouts. Great ecu... Hey I'm not his marketing agent , just wanted you guys to know a good product when there is one.
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The main purpose of the pressure in the shock is to prevent the oil from foaming. While the pressure does add a little to the stiffness of the shock that is not its primary role. If you want a softer shock change the spring or the oil/dampening.
Most manufacturers set the bike up to handle the bikes maximum GVWR I THINK. If you're under 180 and ride without a partner on the back the stock setup probably will feel too harsh. I replaced the fork springs with progressives from Hyperpro and still wasnt satisfied until I swapped the 10wt fork oil for a 5 wt. After that it seems to all work like its supposed to work. I would think the same applied to the shock. Try a lighter weight oil and maybe back the pressure off 5%.
Thanks to both of you for the info. Will try to find a lower poundage spring but do you know what can fit the white power or the standard ratings for the original springs?
It might be a good idea to change the oil in the shock to a lighter weight first. It will be cheaper than a spring and will definitely not do any harm.
as long as you dont gain 100lbs or decide to haul a huge partner on it 
If its still too stiff after that change the fork oil to 5wt. If its STILL too stiff after that then buy the lighter springs.
I'm betting the oil changes will surprise you.
Hi Richard
You're saying that the original is 10wt and changing it to a 5wt helps. Any idea what is the quantity of oil needed at least originally?
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The main purpose of the pressure in the shock is to prevent the oil from foaming. While the pressure does add a little to the stiffness of the shock that is not its primary role. If you want a softer shock change the spring or the oil/dampening.
Most manufacturers set the bike up to handle the bikes maximum GVWR I THINK. If you're under 180 and ride without a partner on the back the stock setup probably will feel too harsh. I replaced the fork springs with progressives from Hyperpro and still wasnt satisfied until I swapped the 10wt fork oil for a 5 wt. After that it seems to all work like its supposed to work. I would think the same applied to the shock. Try a lighter weight oil and maybe back the pressure off 5%.
Thanks to both of you for the info. Will try to find a lower poundage spring but do you know what can fit the white power or the standard ratings for the original springs?
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Not sure exactly what pressure is spec'd for that shock but in my experience 140 - 150 psi (around 10 bar I believe) is typical.
Hmm
9 bar feels a little harsh , I'm now trying 8 with compression and rebound at 1 position(minimum) . Ok maybe someone will know the exact specs although I think you're probably right because most suspension manufacturer recomends 9 to 10 bar.
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Hello
anyone knows what is the nitogen gas charged pressure for our white power rear shocks on the sports 1100i? My shock builder put in 9 bar and it feels too hard.
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Both the Owners Handbook and the Workshop Manual says 400cc. Maybe the carbed one had 360?
Hmmm....let me checked again..
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Ok so I'm looking at a 96 Sport 1100. Had a few question (more to come of course should I buy it
). Bike has 14K and a bunch of recent work including trans overhaul with closer gears by Hecht and a hotter cam (trying to find out which one was installed. I was told idle is a tad higher due to new cam). Carbs seem to be stock Dellorto 40's. Deep sump and external oil filter added. Frame was powder coated. Rear end was resealed and vented. New WP rear coil. New front disks.Several things I'm not so familiar with...
- They added a quick throttle kit and had to reposition the starter button a tad higher to the right
- They have a 2 battery system - new 9v's side by side (I do recall reading about this one before)
- Current clip on's are too low interfering with the tank (need to go back to stock - available?)
Any info appreciated.
Hi Paul
The reposition of the starter button is probably a clearance issue with the quick throttle so I don't think it's an issue.
The original battery is position below the rear seat and it's not a 2 battery system but a single one . I'm running one with a 12 v/14amp rating battery. Since this area isquite big finding a suitable battery should not be a problem. Why is it 9v I don't understand.
The bike originally comes with white power front and rear
It also comes with a steering damper originally.
What can I say is that I love the sports 1100i looks and riding experience.
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When I first got my bike I set everything just like the specs. said. I was so p***ed at it I wanted to push it into the creek, unload 1000 rounds of ammo on it and then burn it.
I took it to a PowerCommander dealer had it remapped n set the TPS v @ 450 mV at 1000 rpm idle speed. TADAAA ! You wil have to trim it to your satisfaction.
Keep us posted.
First to fotoguzzi.
No i am not confused about the term base setting. I mentioned many times I disconnected everything. My now standard sports 1100i run with this base setting of 150mv and I don;t care much about the idling setting of 520mv or thereabouts because I listen to the engine and as long as the throttle is responsive and idling sounds low enough(but steady/usually about 1100rpm) without dying thats good enough for me.(it's usually close to the 520 or 530mv we want) I never use the idle stop screw to increase the milivolt. It's always done with a multimeter.
when It had a full system it can't run at 150mv as well. It runs on 310mv as mentioned . Why? I have no idea. It has a will creedon chip and I can do 235km indicated with the base setting at 310 mv. No stalling or hiccups etc. Maybe the bike prefers a bigger throttle opening with the straight thru termi system.
Now just out of curiosity I've taken out the ecu and replace it with a cliff Jeffries unit. Today is my second day tuning it with help from Cliff and it seems really good. Pick up from rest is really a huge improvement and power is really good even with stock pipes.
Now to Gstallons
Yup my bike can't run on 150mv base setting as well even with the same dyno operator tuning it. the map does seems ok but can't hold a steady throttle at cruising , pops and cough occasionally but acceleration map feels good. It also produces 79 horses at the wheel(I know it sounds low but I've read many stock BMW S1000rr producing 192hp at the wheel in europe or the US but my S1000rr stock only has 170 horses at the wheel here at our dyno)
I tried tuning it on my own with the PC module but the problem seems difficult to eradicate. Out of frustration
I reverted to my old settings of 463mv(all disconnected) and downloaded the old map I have for this setting. With 463mv the bike can almost idle without the idle stop screw. Presto 
the bike runs beautifully. No hiccups , no engine stalling even on hard braking or downchanging of gears, engine idles at 1000rpm beautifully , and throttle response is responsive overall. Oh the top end can hit redline as well. This map was also provided by my dyno tuner but I had to modify it to work on areas of part throttle crusing and smoothness at low rpm. It also produces 79 horses only even with a crossover which i just fitted. The mid range is much improved though.A friend's FJR 1300 could not even keep up on the straight up to a point. (His words not mine)And other faster bike owners' commented that the copa and sports 1100i is real fast. I never felt it is underpowered even though my track motorcyles are Mv agustas f4 1000, and bmw s1000rrs. Just love the character and feel of the guzzi and yes it's real world speed as well,
I'm just reporting what I know and applicable to my bikes. The can of worms open still cannot change the fact i'm not running at base 150mv on my modified bikes. My standard guzzis are running at 150mv though.(have 2 centys)
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An update on this thread that I started. I know now why my bike copa italia can't run on 150 millivolt base setting. It is supposed to run on 465mv as according to the race ecu instructions which i found recently. I tried setting it to 150mv and since it has a power commander send it off to my tuner who try as he might cannot obtain a satisfactory map for it on the dyno. it will either be powerful but cannot hold a constant throttle or does it by feeling too rich and with poor throttle response.
Anyway it can't be tune to the way it runs at 465mv. So know I know the reason or did I open up a can of worms.
Also on a side note my sports 1100i is now set to 150mv base after i reverted back to standard exhuast system. The last time with a full termi system it cannot run at this setting but required 310mv as mentioned. Strange but true in my case.
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You posted the same question on the COG over a week ago, I answered and you confirmed reading it. Is there something else you want to know? I know there are threads somewhere here about fork oil with some other kind of spec than weight but I don't remember clearly. I think good old Ratchethack repeatedly wrote about fork fluid as opposed to oil. Maybe a search here will give more info.
Sorry Raz
That forum sometimes takes ages before someone answers so I thought I'll try my luck here. Anyway 400cc is wrong . I just found out the manual says 360cc instead.
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HI
I have a 2004 copa italia here in the far east and it is so relaible with nothing going wrong at all and i do ride it hard. I bought it new and it has 10,200 km now. It has a the guzzi race ecu and also the Ti pipes. One of my favorite bikes of all time.
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Hi
Have any of you install the feracchi high compression of 92mm bore which he claims is a slot in pistons. Is it any good ? How much more power can you gain and most importantly is it relaible.
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Hi guys
Can someone help with this info. I need to know the amount of oil for the sports 1100i and the viscosity to use.
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I think that if someone prefers sporty way of riding, doing track days from time to time, then the 1100 sport riding position is more "correct" for such a sporty riding style. The knees can be positioned in an inner way (tank is thinner) while the body leans forward.
The V11 puts the rider in a more upright position. The tank is wider, not letting the knees/legs to be kept closer and tighter to the bike.
So why alter the 1100 sport clipons with handlebars, since you can just enjoy a V11 with handlebars, in a more "relaxing" position?
Hi Dimitris
I wanted to convert the sports 1100i because firstly I'm older and the riding position is not so ideal for everyday usage. For trackdays and B roads,I have other bikes. Anyway I would like to use the bike more and thought a raised handlebar will be an added attraction.
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Now I'm really confused . I thought the throttle was already fully closed when I push against it. Is there another fully closed throttle plate angle.
there are throttle stop screws (on each throttle body) that need to be backed out all the way before you set the baseline.
Hi Fotoguzzi
I know about this and the screws have been backed out
Unhook the balance rod to the right injector, back off the idle stop screw, actuate the injector manually a couple of times to make sure its closed, and set the TPS at 150mv is what I did on Centauros. The trim pot in the computer is for idle mixture, but affects the mixture up to 4K or so IIRC. Has nothing to do with the TPS.
Hi Chuck
thats what I did and it cant't work on 150mv as mentioned.
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Now I'm really confused . I thought the throttle was already fully closed when I push against it. Is there another fully closed throttle plate angle.
there are throttle stop screws (on each throttle body) that need to be backed out all the way before you set the baseline.
Hi Fotoguzzi
I know about this and the screws have been backed out
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I believe that it is adjusted with the trimpot screw under the big rubber bung
That is correct. Anti-clockwise is richer. Mid-scale is "default setting" and if we call that 12 o'clock, I have mine at about 10 o'clock.
Before that though, are you positive that the fast-idle cam (on the TB) is moved out of the way when "all attachments is disconnected"? I made that mistake the first time I tried reading base trim. Even with fast idle cable comletely removed, that cam can pose as a second idle stop and thus everything was not backed off as I thought. If the roller on the cam follower is not free to, well, roll... then everything is actually not backed off. You adjust that cam by loosening a screw from below.
Hi Raz
Mine is now at 11 o'clock but this mixture screw or idle trim cannot affect the millivolt reading so drastically I believed.
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Hi guys
Just thought I'll share this adjustment procedure on my sports 1100i which I tried to follow the instructions given by our fellow member. I actually checked my sports 1100i tps and it was running at 310mv and running well with all attachments disconnected , even the idle screw and choke. This reading allows the bike to run fairly well(guzzista are never satisfied, at least in my case). I also checked my copa italia which is running very well and it reads 463mv with all attachments disconnected.
Now the problem ? the sports 1100i cannot even idle when I used 150mv as a starting point to tune. The bike is even difficult to start and the throttle feels fluffy when rev. I thought I'll just follow the reading on the v11 copa italia that is 463mv and see whether it works but the sporty still cannot work on this setting. Finally i USED BACK the same setting of 310 mv and it works once again. With all connected the reading is 530mv or thereabouts.
Can some of the our technical experts please explain why this is so for my 2 bikes. Just a further thought is that when I brought the bike to a dealer his diagnostic tool reads a throttle angle of 3.2 for the sports 1100i with all attached and which is what allows the bike to idle and ride.
I am going out on a limb and suspect the .150v setting is for a COMPLETELY closed throttle plate angle.
Hi gstallons
Now I'm really confused . I thought the throttle was already fully closed when I push against it. Is there another fully closed throttle plate angle.
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Hi guys
Just thought I'll share this adjustment procedure on my sports 1100i which I tried to follow the instructions given by our fellow member. I actually checked my sports 1100i tps and it was running at 310mv and running well with all attachments disconnected , even the idle screw and choke. This reading allows the bike to run fairly well(guzzista are never satisfied, at least in my case). I also checked my copa italia which is running very well and it reads 463mv with all attachments disconnected.
Now the problem ? the sports 1100i cannot even idle when I used 150mv as a starting point to tune. The bike is even difficult to start and the throttle feels fluffy when rev. I thought I'll just follow the reading on the v11 copa italia that is 463mv and see whether it works but the sporty still cannot work on this setting. Finally i USED BACK the same setting of 310 mv and it works once again. With all connected the reading is 530mv or thereabouts.
Can some of the our technical experts please explain why this is so for my 2 bikes. Just a further thought is that when I brought the bike to a dealer his diagnostic tool reads a throttle angle of 3.2 for the sports 1100i with all attached and which is what allows the bike to idle and ride.
I am going out on a limb and suspect the .150v setting is for a COMPLETELY closed throttle plate angle.
Hi gstallons
Now I'm really confused . I thought the throttle was already fully closed when I push against it. Is there another fully closed throttle plate angle.
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Hi Pete
What does it mean? where is the idle trim ? Is it the mixture trim screw in the ecu? Could you share with me how it is adjusted since my mechanic(not a dealer, for there is no agent in my country) has a diagnostic tool but is not familiar about this.
It's a 16M computer isn't it? I haven't played with a 16M for ages. I believe that it is adjusted with the trimpot screw under the big rubber bung but far better to look in the manual which I'm sure will be available on Greg Bender's site.
Pete
Hi Pete
The idle trim you mentioned only adjust the air fuel mixture, . Can it affect the reading of the tps so drastically?
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Sounds t me like the idle trim is off. This is adjusted electronically using the diagnostic tooling.
Pete
Hi Pete
What does it mean? where is the idle trim ? Is it the mixture trim screw in the ecu? Could you share with me how it is adjusted since my mechanic(not a dealer, for there is no agent in my country) has a diagnostic tool but is not familiar about this.
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Hi guys
Just thought I'll share this adjustment procedure on my sports 1100i which I tried to follow the instructions given by our fellow member. I actually checked my sports 1100i tps and it was running at 310mv and running well with all attachments disconnected , even the idle screw and choke. This reading allows the bike to run fairly well(guzzista are never satisfied, at least in my case). I also checked my copa italia which is running very well and it reads 463mv with all attachments disconnected.
Now the problem ? the sports 1100i cannot even idle when I used 150mv as a starting point to tune. The bike is even difficult to start and the throttle feels fluffy when rev. I thought I'll just follow the reading on the v11 copa italia that is 463mv and see whether it works but the sporty still cannot work on this setting. Finally i USED BACK the same setting of 310 mv and it works once again. With all connected the reading is 530mv or thereabouts.
Can some of the our technical experts please explain why this is so for my 2 bikes. Just a further thought is that when I brought the bike to a dealer his diagnostic tool reads a throttle angle of 3.2 for the sports 1100i with all attached and which is what allows the bike to idle and ride.
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....but the tire profile is something new to me.
What tyres are you on? Some tyres steer much quicker than others.
KB
Hi Baldini
I'm currerntly running Bridestone BT 16 (i'll let you know the profile in the morning)dual compound tires on me bike. It also has a full system termi exhuast and a creedon chip. Has anyone on the forum converted their sporti from clip ons to raised handlebars without the fairing. would love to see how it looked like.
Hi Baldini
Sorry it took so long to reply but I'm running a 60 series tire on the rear. I'll change to a 70 in future.
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I forgot to mention that the V11 Sport has 1cm less trail in the triple tree too. Däs Mototec sells a kit to reduce the rake (expensive). They also sell a triple tree with less rake as well (also expensive). You can put a V11 Sport tripe tree on the Sport 1100i frame though and it will fit just find although the ignition lock stub has to be ground down to clear the V11 Sport triple tree. The fairing is most of the weight difference along with the steel tank. The V11 Sport transmission is actually heavier than the that of the Sport 1100i (extra gear and third shaft). I think the weight of the two bikes is actually not that much different but I no longer have the specifications in front of me. I guess I'll look them up later just out of curiosity.
Hi Carl
Thanks for the info . I'll try to do something on this bike if I can find the necessary parts to raise or lower the respective concerns but as mentioned it only runs on 160 rear tires and yet feels lazy as compared to V11 . Maybe to convert to a riased handle bar might solve all this . What do you think? Know of anyone who has done it here on the forum?
My Daytona, as mentioned, has been converted to standard full handlebars. It also has forks from a GSXR that are shorter by a good bit (I forget the number) but also have a different offset to complement the increased rake. Also, the front wheel is much lighter (also from a GSXR) and the fairing is removed. It is still a little long but it handles pretty close to the wifes V11. Since it is longer it will never be the same, but it is currently pretty close.
None of my bikes has a steering damper, I find that most Guzzi's don't need a damper and all it does is slow down the steering. Some people do not agree and some think V11's need a damper or they would not have come with one. I have a V11, a Daytona, and a Griso. The V11 and Daytona came with steering dampers. They both went bad and caused issues so they were removed. They both handles better in my opinion without them. The Griso did not come with one from the Factory. It works fine with out it.
To each their own.....
Hello Guzzi moto
Interesting information. Just a question since you have a v11 and a daytona. How does the two engines comapre, 2 valves and four.
I have a centauro as well with a daytona engine( will creedon ship and full staintune) )and find that the V11 seems to be stronger on top end(it has a race ecu and pipes)although there is not much in it. They are both as strong on the low end. I read about the oil pump issues on this bike and has yours been changed?
cliff jeffries ecu
in Older models
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If I remember correctly abouy 650 Aussie dollars.