[Strange goings on]

22 hours ago, docc said:

I see no mention of setting the TPS baseline...

Hi docc. 

I have just re-read the decent tune thread that GuzziMoto posted to remind myself what exactly that entails. 

I've got a bit to look at; I'll keep all y'all updated when I get onto it. 

[Strange goings on]

20 hours ago, GuzziMoto said:

23 miles per gallon would be very bad fuel mileage. You should be getting near twice that. I would start with a basic tune up........

 

Yeah, that's on the cards, & exactly the post that I was referring to regarding the tune up. I have had the bike serviced relatively recently, so one would hope that this was undertaken when that occurred. It's this excess fuel burning that has me scratching my head. And I don't know if it's in my head, but I can swear that I can smell unburned fuel, especially as I am blipping the throttle when changing down gear.

Thank you for your reply. Any thoughts re the lead issue?

Cheers

[Strange goings on]

Good evening, comrades

As some of you know, I have a faulty V11, the writing on the body says it is a Le Mans, but the ECU declares it a Sport. Is this a Schrodinger's cat scenario?

I'm always up for a philosophical discussion on quantum physics, however, at this point, I'd like to have your attention on the following:

My V11 Whatever has a rather poor fuel efficiency. I filled the tank the other day (said in a Wayne from Letterkenny way).

The odometer read 190km, & the 21-litre tank took 19 litres to fill — a disappointing return, to be sure.

I had balanced the throttle bodies, & altered the CO trim from -90 to 0, however, the mileage from a tank of guzzilene has not changed.

I contacted a fellow member of the Moto Guzzi Club of Victoria, who is a great source of knowledge & information. I believe he cut his teeth on a Tenni...

Anyway, one of his suggestions was to take the leads off the plugs to see what the response was, in terms of engine cutting out.

I took off the right lead, & sure enough, the engine cut out after about 10 seconds. Having replaced the lead, & restarting the engine, I removed the left lead, & whilst lumpy, the engine continued to idle without cutting out.

What gives? And what does this mean, if anything?

Other things that have been suggested (leaving out the tune etc that have been posted numerous times (with a nod to Pete Roper)) in the email reply that I received, & posted below for your consideration.

So far, I have only done the leads thing. I routinely put in the fuel cleaner & give it a bit of a blast.

I will value any input people have regarding this issue.

Cheers

innesa

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Hi Andrew,

Fuel consumption that high!!!

Is this a recent problem or over a long time?

What colour are the plugs?  
What difference on either side?
ie Is the problem both sides running rich or just one?

At idle and warm.. when you pull a single plug lead off how many bangs before it stalls? should be about 5
Repeat for the other side.  This tells you how good throttle balance is but also may help find the problem if only on one side.

Is the tank physically empty ( I think you can't get the last 2 litres out to the engine )
So refuel around 20 litres

Internal fuel filter and pump I think on that model. It's hidden, so may never been cleaned/checked!
Pull it and check it's clean, no poor connections...

I found the air intake rubbers a pain on all 1100/1200 and you have to fight hard to get them properly seated on the airbox/intake tubes.
A little bit of INOX spray lube helps!
The rubber is quite tough and I would not expect leaks except if there is physical cracking.
I reckon that there is that much air rushing in a small leak will make little difference.
When running and blip throttle ...I check them by making smoke around the area...with a torch, you can readily see air movement
(Do a Bill Clinton and do not inhale!)

Need Guzzi diag for following...do you have a setup ???? ( I still have one ) 

The map V11 IAW 15M ECU Titanium 2.bin I reckon is fine ( came from Beetle )
Absolutely fixed my Tenni.     Is that the map that's in it?
Have another one that came from Beetle ...V11 IAW 15M ECU Titanium_FuelMain 2.bin  (I can't recall what the difference is but sounds interesting!

 

CO setting as I understand it only makes a difference at a constant speed and not during acceleration/ deceleration...
You need a CO monitor setup to make any meaningful changes. Don't reckon that's a problem.

2 x Sensors located between cylinders flake out over time and need replacing. cheap and easy to replace / these 2 are located on LHS in front of the cylinder head.
Engine Temperature sensor...maybe giving ECU weird readings and changing mixture
Engine Dwell sensor...tracks the crankshaft and timing. ( the clearance to the crank is important )

Never touched fuel injection sensors on my last 3 Guzzis.
Just put injection sensor cleaner in petrol every 10K and give it a good hot run.
Old fuel really clogs things up all around on fuel-injection bikes. Regular beatings are required!
And park it up with plenty of fuel in the tank

Also, any drag in the wheels....bearings or brake binding?

engine oil correct spec...also not too much I have been told around 3/4 to top line is fine.

Air filter ...correct one and clean...any oil in the base of the filter housing?

 

 

[Replacing Oil Breather Hose]

On 8/31/2005 at 6:28 AM, bigbikerrick said:

See, you learn something new every day! Dont be upset Its a 1 to 2 beer job, Ill buy the ale!

You drinking slow?

[Decommissioning the oil cooler]

On 2/17/2024 at 10:19 AM, guzziart said:

I wonder if those of you that had to replace the hose AGAIN and AGAIN installed an aftermafket hose or geuine Guzzi item.  Yeah, I know MG doesn't make their own hoses but they do specify what the salient characteristics must be, some of those characteristics could be missing from the aftermarket offerings (aka generic, knock off, etc.). Anyway,  I've not had to replace mine, it looks good/ok to me, no weather checking and is pliable.  However, my breather hose is 20+ years old maybe I should buy one so the next time the tank is off I can replace it.  OEM or aftermarket??!!

Thanks,

Art

Geez, I just realized I got way off the oil cooler topic. 

I can only speak for myself, but felt inspired to make my own with appropriate hoses & clamps as talked about in the feed here (check replies): 

 

[Decommissioning the oil cooler]

Further to my entry post the replacement, there is still no leak, & we've had some warm days here in Melbourne, & stop/ start traffic being a feature of city driving, but no issues. Yet to tune, however the first tank yielded 190km before the orange light of anxiety came on. Pre breather replacement, it was standard for this to appear at the 150-170km mark. Pushed it out until it started to cough, which was at 210km. Fortunately, I was only about 100m away from a petrol station. Filling the tank saw 20.3 litres go in! Terrible economy, but better with the pipe replaced. I will say too that the orange light was not a very bright one, & in full daylight, was actually difficult to see. I would hate to be out & about, completely miss it, & find myself stranded, but I think now my sphincter starts to pucker around 170km on the odo! 

[Decommissioning the oil cooler]

Hello my friends. 
I’d just like to update y’all on my progress:

Thank you for all of the information, & for putting me on to the oil breather hose issue. 
I referred to the technical issue also found on this forum, & essentially replicated somebody’s idea about the rubber hose, copper angles, & hose clamps. 

Sprayed some engine degreaser to remove the leaked oil, & went for a bit of a spin. 
There is no oil leak from the cooler, & I don’t know if it’s in my head, but the bike seems to be running better than it ever has since I’ve owned it. 
Now for the decent tune!

 

[Decommissioning the oil cooler]

Thank you for all of the replies, comrades

Aussie Guzzisti will likely know who I'm talking about when I say I placed a call to Mario @ Thunderbikes yesterday, re parts, &, I guess in some ways reassuring, also asked if I was sure it was the cooler, as he'd never heard of anybody having an issue with one before.

So I will delve further, & find out if the breather hose is indeed the culprit. You are right though - it looks like somebody has slit the throat of something that has oil for blood! Excellent timing too, as I was going to look at it either today or tomorrow.

Thanks again, everybody

[Greenie refurb]

11 minutes ago, guzzler said:

Mate

My V11 Sport has open Mistral cans Stucchi crossover & open air box lid..

The ECU has been re-mapped to suit and I get 250 kays before the low fuel light comes on ( if I behave ) so I think somethings wrong there!

Cheers 

Thanks guzzler

Yeah, I'm getting 150-175 when the orange worry light appears. I had it recommended to me that I should carry around a tin of petrol, & just drain it (the tank) on a ride to see just how far it gets me. Of course, I'm quoting city riding, but I find that I don't get much better on the open road.

Do you have a particular mechanic you go to?

Are you a member of the MGCoV?

Cheers

[Greenie refurb]

On 1/7/2024 at 11:17 AM, Gmc28 said:

Freed up another small chunk of time for Greenie today… so wandered out and popped the Stucchi fly screen on.

”Popped” is a stretch of a term, because what I figured would be an easy afternoon in the shop with a game on in the background and messing with the fly screen and then other stuff, turned into a few hours  of me getting some good curse-word practice.  Not hard, just a bigger production than I had figured. 

Fuel tank + body bits next.

valves are done, so decent tune-up with the laptop magic will follow after that. 

The pic with the speedo shows the poor cosmetic condition of triple tree area, which I need to work on, somehow. 

 

Hi Gmc28

I have a V11 LM that seems to drink petrol - to the tune of getting ~ 100 miles on a 5 gallon tank.

That strikes me as pretty crap fuel economy.

It has Agostini pipes on it; I have no idea if it has been chipped or any other voodoo worked on it.

When you say a tune is required with the laptop magic, is this something that could potentially rectify the situation? 

I've had somebody tell me that it should be taken to a dyno, etc, but that's $$$ I don't have.

Thanks in anticipation.

[Decommissioning the oil cooler]

Thank you all for your replies.

Thanks for the eBay link, Lucky - I'll go down that path.

I was expecting prohibitive costs, & I didn't win the lottery last night, but I can stretch myself to that.

Cheers

[Decommissioning the oil cooler]

IMG_8350.HEICHello V11 Brains Trust

I have a 2001 V11 LM, that appears to be haemorrhaging oil from the oil cooler.

I am wondering if there is any issue with simply disconnecting the hoses at the sump, replacing them with sump plugs/ similar, & binning the oil cooler altogether?

A mate has a Griso, & he decommissioned that bike's oil cooler, however, replaced the hoses with a single much shorter hose, between the two sump ingress/ egress points due to "one-way flow".

Is there a similar issue with the LM?

Thank you

[Dead V11]

On 7/26/2021 at 3:43 AM, Weegie said:

Just Guzzis in a dress 

Guzzis in their Sunday best, hey Weegie?

[Dead V11]

On 7/27/2021 at 3:20 AM, p6x said:

@innesa I am sure you already know, but the weak point on the levers is there to protect your fingers in case they would be wedged between the grip and the lever.

This is a safety feature.

Hey there p6x. Now I feel like a double goose! Only after re-reading my post after receiving yours, I meant to say gear selection lever, not clutch lever! Sorry. Broke just 'cos my left calf knocked it as the bike was on it's way down! Wha?!

[Dead V11]

So, there's this thang called Occam's Razor which is sometimes inaccurately paraphrased as "the simplest explanation is usually the best one."

Without further ado, is that in this particular chapter of Dead V11, fotoguzzi wins the Occam's Razor award for nominating the kill switch as the culprit. 

I would also like to nominate myself for eejit of the year award for not checking the kill switch until suggested.

I would like to apologise for wasting everybody's time, particularly that of Weegie (Bloody Hell, but those Magni's must be special machines!) for wearing his puir wee fingers to the nubs for typing his essay-like response.

And of course, docc, for his input into either my 2nd or 3rd post that he has responded to.

My thanks to all, along with that apology.

If you need me, I'll be over in the corner, self-flagellating for my stupidity for not checking the kill switch...

Ffs!!!

[Dead V11]

Howdy y'all.

How big of a goose do I feel?

Was riding out of an alley which serves as a driveway to the apartments that I have recently moved to.

Had feet on pegs, which was a problem when I came to a stop, & the bike promptly fell on its right side - minor damages - broken indicator lens, & rocker cover, as well as a broken clutch lever. I know, right? That's the left side of the bike. Turns out that Guzzi clutch levers can be stomped on & cursed out due to the infinite false neutrals, however, when they encounter the mighty innesa calf muscle, it just simply snaps. WTAF?!

Anyway, these relatively minor issues have thrown a smokescreen whilst another more sinister issue came to light...

Bike dead.

Usually when I turn the bike on, there is a noise that emanates out from under the seat, that I've been led to believe is the priming of the fuel pump or something similar.

Ignition is in the on position - appropriate dashboard lights come on - however there is no underseat noise. I can hear something like a click (I call it a click, but it isn't a click) from the appropriate area when I turn the ignition on & then again when I turn it off. Fuses & the relays appear to be intact.

Managed to get gears into neutral (not a false one).

What am I missing, if anything?

I look forward to the input from the brains trust of V11 Guzzisti...

[Dead V11]

Hello everybody

I'd just like to say a big THANK YOU to all of the respondents to this. Even if it was just to make me laugh, which it did.

I will get on to the main ground immediately, if not sooner.

docc, I hope that you didn't take your bike apart just for little old me!

But, thank you, as always, for the detailed response. 

I reckon I could rebuild the thing, if ever I needed to, from your information alone!

Cheers everybody.

[Dead V11]

Hi Tinus89

Is this the ground that you were referring to?

I'm not very mechanically minded...

But this is what I jiggled, & the bike started.

Magic!!!

Cheers mate.

[Dead V11]

Hello Tinus89

To answer your questions as asked:

No; no; no; yes (I am assuming that is the noise from what sounds like under the seat sort of area); yes

Checked what I think you mean about the main ground, which seems to have rectified the problem. The bike starts again!!!

I thank you very much for responding.

[Dead V11]

Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your ears...

I have a non-starting Le Mans.

I have recently charged the battery, all the dash lights up, the electrical noise under the seat makes its usual appearance.

Press the starter... crickets

What the Hell?!

Thoughts?

I look forward to your input.

I had a long ride recently, ~ 1000kms, then parked it.

This is now 2 weeks on. I have started it since the ride, but just to turn it over.

[Idle NQR]

Guzzler & Pete Roper, I really appreciate the heads up about those two gents.

I will most def check them out.

A bit hesitant to take it to PS after I was talking to a Triumph rider who told me they overfilled his oil to the tune of 700mls, & their response to his complaint was basically no response. Pretty damned poor. You trust them with Precious, & it's clear that it ain't so precious to them.

Cheers lads.

[Idle NQR]

Thanks docc. Yours is one of the threads that I'd read, & it is certainly comprehensive!

I'm just a wee bit nervous about doing stuff that is potentially beyond me, without a watchful eye over to me to stop me from making a terminal error!

I'll have another read, go see the Wizard for some courage, & go from there...

Wish me luck.

[Idle NQR]

Hello everybody.

Long-time reader, first-time poster.

Hoping to tap into the wealth of knowledge found through this site.

I have recently purchased my 2001 V11 Le Mans, with ~ 81000kms on the clock. Picked it up at a motorcycle retailer. I am unaware of the service history, including any potential mapping.

It has Agostini pipes that had the baffles in them, until I located a set of circlip pliers. 

There is a USB cable up near the dash - already installed (Read: I don't know what function it provides)

I have changed the engine oil, gear oil, & Cardan drive oil at this point, with a subsequent reduction to valve/ tappet noise, however, on the first ride, pulling up at traffic lights, the idle would occasionally become "lumpy", almost to the point of stalling. Revs were ~ 1000 on the clock.

Did I do anything to contribute to this? And, what can I do to sort it?

I've read various forum threads on tune up, etc, but I don't quite feel confident enough to tackle that by myself at present, in case I then have to load it onto a trailer, take it to a place, point to it, & say "Fix that"!

Thank you in anticipation.