Cliff Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I've just ordered the 2A0 kit from www.wbo2.com. It will be interesting to compare closed loop operation with a real wideband sensor versus the 1st generation bosch wideband sensor I've had for the last couple of years. The cost of the kit + sensor (AU$300) is actually cheaper than the bosh (AU$400). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex-Corsa Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 I've just ordered the 2A0 kit from www.wbo2.com. It will be interesting to compare closed loop operation with a real wideband sensor versus the 1st generation bosch wideband sensor I've had for the last couple of years. Would like to hears anyones opinion on this one Innovate Wideband LM-1 Air / Fuel Meter and what's the difference of this sensor that uses(stated asA Bosch 5-wire-WOS) with the Bosch LSU4/LSU4.2 sensor? Or is it the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 19, 2006 Author Share Posted January 19, 2006 Would like to hears anyones opinion on this oneInnovate Wideband LM-1 Air / Fuel Meter and what's the difference of this sensor that uses(stated asA Bosch 5-wire-WOS) with the Bosch LSU4/LSU4.2 sensor? Or is it the same? 74946[/snapback] It is a brand that many people swear by. It has a great logging rate of 12 samples per second. The units are very big compared to the competition, which may be hard to fit on your bike. The price gets a little expensive once you add the RPM sensor, which I would recommend, otherwise it would very difficult to get value out of the logs. I think the 2A1 from http://wbo2.com/ offers a better value. http://wbo2.com/lsu/sensors.htm#lsu shows a lot of info about sensors. I suspect the LSU4.2 is the prefered. Avoid the LSU4.9 as it is designed for lean conditions. If you are running leaded fuel I believe you will want to look for a more resistant sensor. I can't find a link but I read something about a more durable sensor for race fuels. I am not sure what the WOS is???? probably just mean Wideband Oxygen Sensor, and could be anything WOS by Bosch. I am still leaning toward the zeitronix(but it requires Palm or laptop for road test logging) and the PLX R-300 but am looking for deals on the Techedge 2A1 and the Wego II or anything else with good logging options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gthyni Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 FYI, a 2A1 for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=4606900592 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 Thanks!....I'll keep an eye out for it. I just lost out on a 2A0... too slow to snipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Minnaert Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 with the lc1 you can use this to connect to a pda device for logging. http://72.138.187.243/bradatech_corp/bluet...erial_LCXD1.asp So you can have the pda in your pocket and have it logging. They have software for that too. A simple analog meter connected to have an average display on your dash completes it. Or the xd1 as a luxery display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 with the lc1 you can use this to connect to a pda device for logging. http://72.138.187.243/bradatech_corp/bluet...erial_LCXD1.asp So you can have the pda in your pocket and have it logging. They have software for that too. A simple analog meter connected to have an average display on your dash completes it. Or the xd1 as a luxery display. 75461[/snapback] Thanks, That would be a very inexpensive solution with hours of logging. The only limitation that I would miss would be the lack of RPM and TPS logging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 OK, I finally did it. Although the Innovation was last on my list, I found one with the RPM kit second hand on eBay for a good price. Now I just need to find where on the exhaust is the ideal temperature (hot but below 900F) get the bung plugs milled to fit the pipes, get them welded on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 From http://forum.helluvafast.com/showthread.ph...1461&page=2 I assume the ZFAS-S2 is not readily available to consumers now that I've read your post. Here's what I had planned to ask: -------- What's the story on the plugged 10mm holes on the V11S exhaust pipes? Does Guzzi use some special tiny O2 sensors for tuning at the factory? The O2 sensors I find available seem to use the 18mm thread, but The ZFAS-S2 uses 12mm. See it here: http://www.ngkntk.co.jp/english/products/e...nsors/p_03.html Could the Guzzi 10mm holes be opened up and threaded for 12mm? ------- So I guess this is a mute question. Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted August 4, 2006 Author Share Posted August 4, 2006 I assume the ZFAS-S2 is not readily available to consumers now that I've read your post. Here's what I had planned to ask: -------- What's the story on the plugged 10mm holes on the V11S exhaust pipes? Does Guzzi use some special tiny O2 sensors for tuning at the factory? The O2 sensors I find available seem to use the 18mm thread, but The ZFAS-S2 uses 12mm. See it here: http://www.ngkntk.co.jp/english/products/e...nsors/p_03.html Could the Guzzi 10mm holes be opened up and threaded for 12mm? ------- So I guess this is a mute question. Troy I did not know about the ZFAS-S2. I think it is narrow band, not wide band, but I am not sure. The Guzzi 10mm holes are allegedly for Exhaust Gas analysis machines.(maybe just a CO meter) It would be cool if Guzzi actually did a multi-gas custom dyno mapping for every bike coming off the assembly line.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Bucket Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 Innovate sells a very nice mounting spud and bung kit. I bought an M18 tap and make my own tubes of varying materials and thicknesses, but the bung that comes with the LM1 is a very nice piece and the ones I end up using (lightened M18 oil drain plugs, mostly) suffer by comparison. If I could find a bunch of old used spark plugs of this size, I might try to knock the ceramic out and use those as a basis for a bung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex-Corsa Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 Innovate sells a very nice mounting spud and bung kit. I bought an M18 tap and make my own tubes of varying materials and thicknesses, but the bung that comes with the LM1 is a very nice piece and the ones I end up using (lightened M18 oil drain plugs, mostly) suffer by comparison. If I could find a bunch of old used spark plugs of this size, I might try to knock the ceramic out and use those as a basis for a bung. You can get these steel bungs from innovate or innovate dealers, they are sold as seperrate accesories for $9. I got a bunch of them , just in case. The extra ones are a bit shorter 2-3mm than the one in the kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 Now I just need to find where on the exhaust is the ideal temperature (hot but below 900F) get the bung plugs milled to fit the pipes, get them welded on. Don't be a dips**t like me and weld the bung on with the plug screwed in. You'll never be able to unscrew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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