bigbikerrick Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Im in the process of submitting the claim for my bubbling engine paint, I dont want my dealer to tear apart a good running engine for a cosmetic issue and want to take the "free accessories option" does anyone here know what moto guzzi offers as a settlement in accessories? Im sure someone here has taken that option as opposed to case replacement. I wnt to make sure I dont purchse something that MG is going to offer for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bshpilot Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 as i recall the "allowance" for schwag was about $400 or $450 at best, and from what ive also heard you could be waiting as long for the gear as cases anyway. i figure i can buy a BETTER jacket cheaper ! some, and im sure theyll speak up, wished theyd done the repair after all was said and done... ill share w/ you that MPH found prematurely worn rod end bearings (it was making noise)...and apparently theres a "pattern" w/ some years/models and the bearings used....so i consider myself all the more "lucky"... im glad i took the extra time and effort to get the bike to MPH...it runs better than it ever did & im more confident in its reliablity now too (mph repaired the infamous pal/shift return spring while it was there). MPH, like any REPUTABLE (and capable), Dealer stands behind their work...one walk around their shop, or conversation w/ them, or forum inquiry & and youll understand...its night and day compared to my local dealer....its a damm shame guzzi doesnt have more dealers like MPH. for me a jacket or bags wasnt an option...ive got 'em already...and i wouldnt wanna wear a guzzi jacket while riding my other bikes (cause you know its a fashion show ...and what if i sold the guzzi (which i cant imagine)...besides jackets wear out/fade etc...guzzi's DONT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Im in the process of submitting the claim for my bubbling engine paint, I dont want my dealer to tear apart a good running engine for a cosmetic issue and want to take the "free accessories option" does anyone here know what moto guzzi offers as a settlement in accessories? Im sure someone here has taken that option as opposed to case replacement. I wnt to make sure I dont purchse something that MG is going to offer for free. 58484[/snapback] I felt the same as you with my 2002 California. I went for the hardbags then sold them. They were offering jackets (2) bags hard/soft and some other stuff, but that was for a California. Give them a call. One reason I did not go for the cases was the same as yours and mine is not that bad, some others were, they would not extend the warrenty, only replaced the cases not the pan cover or the transmission case or in the case of the V11 the bevel box which I heard will eventually start to bubble. Plus I was told there is no guarantee the new cases won't bubble. To bad they didn't use the same paint and method as HD. Their black cases look great and they sell touch-up paint. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bshpilot Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 heres a pic of mine w/ over 600mi on since the case replacement... its next to impossible to determine the diff. in either color or texture.... Im outta warrenty (and most probably will be too by the time they GET the cases OR the work is completed). So worst case im no better or worse off warrenty wise... fact is...MPH stands behind their work...so i have some additional "warrenty" (if you wanna call it that) having had the work done by a reputable dealer....and i look at it this way...ROD END BEARINGS were replaces and i didnt even know they were prematurely worn ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbikerrick Posted August 24, 2005 Author Share Posted August 24, 2005 as i recall the "allowance" for schwag was about $400 or $450 at best, andfrom what ive also heard you could be waiting as long for the gear as cases anyway. i figure i can buy a BETTER jacket cheaper ! some, and im sure theyll speak up, wished theyd done the repair after all was said and done... ill share w/ you that MPH found prematurely worn rod end bearings (it was making noise)...and apparently theres a "pattern" w/ some years/models and the bearings used....so i consider myself all the more "lucky"... im glad i took the extra time and effort to get the bike to MPH...it runs better than it ever did & im more confident in its reliablity now too (mph repaired the infamous pal/shift return spring while it was there). MPH, like any REPUTABLE (and capable), Dealer stands behind their work...one walk around their shop, or conversation w/ them, or forum inquiry & and youll understand...its night and day compared to my local dealer....its a damm shame guzzi doesnt have more dealers like MPH. for me a jacket or bags wasnt an option...ive got 'em already...and i wouldnt wanna wear a guzzi jacket while riding my other bikes (cause you know its a fashion show ...and what if i sold the guzzi (which i cant imagine)...besides jackets wear out/fade etc...guzzi's DONT 58488[/snapback] I was hoping to get some carbon fiber goodies ,not a jacket,anyway italian clothing runs pretty small, it prolly wont fit my fat azz anyway! LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbikerrick Posted August 24, 2005 Author Share Posted August 24, 2005 heres a pic of mine w/ over 600mi on since the case replacement...its next to impossible to determine the diff. in either color or texture.... Im outta warrenty (and most probably will be too by the time they GET the cases OR the work is completed). So worst case im no better or worse off warrenty wise... fact is...MPH stands behind their work...so i have some additional "warrenty" (if you wanna call it that) having had the work done by a reputable dealer....and i look at it this way...ROD END BEARINGS were replaces and i didnt even know they were prematurely worn ! 58493[/snapback] Was it the big end or small end bearings thet were worn? what noise were you hearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbikerrick Posted August 24, 2005 Author Share Posted August 24, 2005 I felt the same as you with my 2002 California. I went for the hardbags then sold them. They were offering jackets (2) bags hard/soft and some other stuff, but that was for a California. Give them a call. One reason I did not go for the cases was the same as yours and mine is not that bad, some others were, they would not extend the warrenty, only replaced the cases not the pan cover or the transmission case or in the case of the V11 the bevel box which I heard will eventually start to bubble. Plus I was told there is no guarantee the new cases won't bubble. To bad they didn't use the same paint and method as HD. Their black cases look great and they sell touch-up paint. Good luck. 58492[/snapback] I was hoping they would offer the carbon fiber kit for the v11( fender fairing, side covers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bshpilot Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 Was it the big end or small end bearings thet were worn? what noise were you hearing? 58499[/snapback] BIG end...I laughed when Todd told me it was makin' noise...i said how could you hear anything over that clutch MPH would be the ones to field these questions...but i beleive theres a "history" w/ certain year models and the bearings the factory used... i only had about 2600mi on mine (id call that premature wear)...i havent seen the bearings YET (forgot to get my parts)...but its my understanding they were quite worn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bshpilot Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I was hoping they would offer the carbon fiber kit for the v11( fender fairing, side covers) 58504[/snapback] i find it interesting that youd put cosmetic bits on the bike but dont care about the bubblin'/chipping paint.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wick Posted August 24, 2005 Share Posted August 24, 2005 I had the same warranty work done at MPH for knocking noises that developed in about 2000 miles. Turned out to be the rod bearings. '03 V11 Sport Naked bought from Orange County. Really, it's an '02 with the pad on the tank and external fuel pump. The paperwork says '03, but everyone knows better. My cases haven't bubbled yet, but I'm expecting it. I also expect that there are many of the V11 Sports in that vintage that are timebombs for this same problem. It's a knocking noise that kinda sounds like it is a valve problem at first, then gets really loud. Wick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbikerrick Posted August 24, 2005 Author Share Posted August 24, 2005 i find it interesting that youd put cosmetic bits on the bike but dontcare about the bubblin'/chipping paint.... 58521[/snapback] Well the bubbling ,chipping paint does bother me,and if I had a dealer nearby that was verified to be competent to tear the engine apart to its most basic parts,and assemble it as good or better as the factory,such as MPH Cycles, believe me, I would have the cases replaced. Where I am located in southern Arizona there is a dealer( Renaissance motorcycles) in Tucson, 125 miles away and a dealer in Phoenix 225 miles away(not sure of name) I really dont know if they would be good to undertake such a job as case replacement, maybe they are, who knows, but everyone knows MPH Cycles kicks ass. Im taking the second best offer since my V 11 which is an 02 sold as an 03, also purchased at orange county Triumph is running fine as of 4700 miles, I havent heard any unusual noises and she runs like a raped ape. I want the carbon fiber fairing like my rosso mandelo had due to me needing some wind protection. Ciao. Rick.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MikeC Posted August 25, 2005 Share Posted August 25, 2005 BIG end...I laughed when Todd told me it was makin' noise...i said how could you hear anything over that clutch 58516[/snapback] V11 's sure do make some noise. I had to get accustomed to the noise especially at idle in neutral. Very different from my California which is quiet except for when the clutch is pulled in then you can hear it. Valves are a little quieter on my V11. What changed after 2001 with the V11's. Other than the recall items in the 2000 to 2001 model I have not heard of any other problems from owners that I hear for later models. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_roethlisberger Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I had a burned/scored main bearing upon my shop doing the case swap too. I had seen my oil light flicker once, and I stopped and luckily was near a gas station and dumped some oil in. I don't know if that was the cause, or some other low oil condition in those first couple years, but it was pretty lame in my opinion to already have a bearing cooked. As a comparison, not that I recommend it, but I nearly ran my old FJ1200 out of oil a couple times due to all the leaks, and it didn't seem to even care. That was 1989 vintage with 80k miles, and it was air cooled as well. Why is the Guzzi so sensitive in comparison? Cheap bearings? Or? Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bshpilot Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I had a burned/scored main bearing upon my shop doing the case swap too. I had seen my oil light flicker once, and I stopped and luckily was near a gas station and dumped some oil in. I don't know if that was the cause, or some other low oil condition in those first couple years, but it was pretty lame in my opinion to already have a bearing cooked. As a comparison, not that I recommend it, but I nearly ran my old FJ1200 out of oil a couple times due to all the leaks, and it didn't seem to even care. That was 1989 vintage with 80k miles, and it was air cooled as well. Why is the Guzzi so sensitive in comparison? Cheap bearings? Or? Al its my understanding from SMARTER folks...that the bearings have been traced to a bearing lot "range" and some particular model years... my light comes one too...scares the hell outta me...and i under stand that Pete Roper from down under now has a "sloppage" tray that is designed to keep more on the bearings and other parts (that dont get it under hard launches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Von Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 My dad had the engine paint issue on his Cali Sport Special. It took him 2 years to get the bags he got instead of the engine case swap. The reason was that guzzi owed the bag manufacture tons of money and never paid them. Once Piaggio took over and paid the past due bills the bags showed up. Does anyone know if the Rosso's had a rod issue ? My brother jus picked one up with around 26,000 miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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