big J Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Ah for @#!#$# sake,it's an old bike with the engine too far back and a big shaft housing hanging out it's back end. If you want ultimate handling,buy a zx636 or whatever. Unless you can ride the absolute wheels off the thing,regularly deck out the undercarriage and wear out your tyre edges faster than the centre,learn to handle what you've got and THEN try and improve it. All this mechanical masturbation gets right on my nerves sometimes. Fill the tank. Hit the road. Screw the rest. If you're riding a Guzzi,you'll have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeBenGuzzi Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 If you want ultimate handling,buy a zx636 73617[/snapback] all the reviews I read on them is they cut like a knife on the road and your arse. Only suited for a trackday forget about having non-cramped knees wrists and lower back they sure look nice tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 Pierre, The "bolt on" piece goes under the tee of the spine and between the porkchops. I don't know what pieces are different on the five speed compared to the six speed, but I know the that where the muffler hangs is different. If you could find this "bolt on" piece, you would probably have to do substantial modifications to make it fit your Sporti. However if you install a six speed gear box, it would make sense to use the later "bolt on" piece. I am not sure about your Sporti, but I have ideas on how to make something bolt on that would make the rear end of the early six speeds more rigid. The right side should be a piece of cake, as you just need to make a bracket go from the porkchop to the tranny. The engineering concerns would be that the rear of the gearbox by the shaft is not strong enough. And the bolts there too, are only 6mm. The solution that I have in mind involves making a bracket that spreads the force out over all the bolts, and possibly runs to the engine to the bolt that the later six speeds attach to. I believe some flexibility should be engineered into the bracket, and it should not be so substantially stout that it would tranfer enough energy to crack the crankcase. On the left side of the bike, the starter kind of gets in the way. I imagine a bracket should attach to the two bolts that hold on the starter, and then another bracket should extend from that bracket, back to the pork chop, to where the shock resevoir is mounted. Again some flexibility should be engineered into the plan, but not as much as on the right side, because the starter mount is pretty robust. Whoever designed the Spine had some excellent ideas, but I believe was incomplete in the excecution. Unlike the Tonti frames that had little room for improvement. I don't know the spine on the five speeds may be better, but the six speed was a bodge job....that works well enough for most people. I believe the GhezziBrian frames are also better thought out, but I have not looked that closely at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ratchethack Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Glad you could give in.Why don't you give in all the way and stay with the discussion here? 73614[/snapback] I reckon he's just doin' his semi-annual recruiting drive... Just kiddin', Todd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 All this mechanical masturbation gets right on my nerves sometimes. 73617[/snapback] If you don't like it, don't read it. There is plenty of porn in 24/7 for you to satiate yourself with. There is a reason the early frames create a losser goose, and I don't think it is just the extra centimeter wheelbase and the slight change in steering angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big J Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 If I dont read it,how will I know if I like it? All I'm saying is,it's horses for courses. A six inch bit of pipe isn't going to transform the early V11into a Fireblade. Use what you've got,learn to live with it's foibles,find it's limits and yours and you'll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 Use what you've got,learn to live with it's foibles,find it's limits and yours and you'll be happy. 73626[/snapback] You have a healthier perspective. Congrats. I am happier trying to increase it's and my limits. Back to the off topic: Here is the bolt on It attaches to the six speed at two points, the porkchops and the muffler hanger. What a bodge! The one thing it has going for it is probably resiliency. The long bolt going through the gearbox, the bolt on lower frame section, and the articulation of the porkchop, must flex nicely, preventing transmission of damaging forces to the gear box case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Pierre,The "bolt on" piece goes under the tee of the spine and between the porkchops. ... 73623[/snapback] Thanks David. I agree there was something going on between the early and later v-11s. However, the 5 speeds didn't seem to suffer from the similar isues. Dr. John certainly didn't seem to have issues. OTOH, there's been a tremendous leap forward in rubber since those years - hence my previous surmise. I'll take a look when I get the chance and see what I can figure as well. Does look like the 5 speed and 6 speed are different cats to some extent. Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 ... But like I've said b4 if you run out of things to tinker on you might as well move on. 73602[/snapback] Ain't that the truth. I don't want to even think about the dollars spent. But damn it's been fun - and that's the ONLY reason I do it. Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 8, 2006 Author Share Posted January 8, 2006 However, the 5 speeds didn't seem to suffer from the similar isues. Dr. John certainly didn't seem to have issues. 73630[/snapback] That is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I have an older 1100 sport carbed model. The roads around here are pretty open very little tight and twisty and the little that is around is pretty heavily patrolled. So we play on the open roads most of the people I ride with have modern sports bikes, Four valve Ducati's, R1's, Fire Blades, Kawa's etc etc. While admittedly not a lot know how to use them the result is the Guzzi spends a lot of its time with everything wound in usually in the top two gears. Whilst I'm not claiming to be a gun rider I have never come across a phenomon that could be related to frame flex on the 1100 sport I have now done 110 000kms across two bikes. The forks are pulled through the tripple tree a little (5mm) the steering dampener is removed and the static sags have been set up right. Ive also done a few track days and agian never came across anything that resembled frame flex. I severly doubt the V11 suffers from such a thing the recent bikes with the handle bars, Balibo's cafe sports etc may carry on because the bars shift the wieght aft and unloads the front wheel especailly if you have more comfort than sport dialed into the suspension. I really havn't felt the need to beef up the frame on the 1100 sport beef up the engine yes but not the frame the same frame also saw duty in the much heathier (hp wise) 1000Daytona RS and Daytona Racing. Ok rant over save your money go do a few track days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Remember, the Sport 1100 and 1100 Sport have a frame tie at the top-front of the gearbox. The Red Frame Sports have the frame tab but no plate. After the 2002 frame change the frame tab disappears as well. I added the frame bracket to my Sport in hope of avoiding another gearbox case crack. But I would guess it would reduce any spine flex without having to pull the motor and tap the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luhbo Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 ....I added the frame bracket to my Sport in hope of avoiding another gearbox case crack. ..... 73807[/snapback] I think this sounds reasonable enough, doesn't it? Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ratchethack Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 I added the frame bracket to my Sport in hope of avoiding another gearbox case crack. But I would guess it would reduce any spine flex without having to pull the motor and tap the case. Isn't the only known case crack the one where Carl "merged" a little too closely with his neighbor's Toyota? I added a home-fabbed "piastra colleg" because I thought it'd be an easy way to possibly tighten things up a little - but the only change I noticed was (maybe - this might be mostly wishful thinking) a little reduction in vibration-induced chassis harmonics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlaing Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 Isn't the only known case crack the one where Carl "merged" a little too closely with his neighbor's Toyota? I think there was an allegation of other failures, but I don't think any of the forum members had it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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