beauchemin Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Yup...rear shock. If it starts to bleed I suggest a freshning up.Not rebuildable but for $750 I'd get REAL creative. The top seal is pressed/sandwiched in....nothing you can do with it....supposedly. Maybe I got lucky...maybe a cleaning / frehs oil would save someone elses. Worth a try... Same with the dampner...I'd be trying to find a way to keep it seviceable. Thats just my way...thats how I got hooked on Guzzi...para millitary...field seviceable farm equipment...I like that. 70755[/snapback] Someone on the list had their OEM Sachs rebuilt (re-sprung and re-valved) by Lindemann Engineering. It also involved some machine work to create a new seat for a readily available shock seal. The final results were mixed from what I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V11UK Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Weave is a low amplitude, typically high speed, side to side oscillation of the entire wheel base. This was quite typical in the Red Frames delivered with the angular Pirelli Dragon Corsas. That's exactly the description of my '99 V11 when I first rode it at speed . I hated those Pirelli's and quickly changed them to Bridgestone BT020's. With correctly set (White Power) suspension front and rear, Stucchi fairing and correct tyre pressures it now tracks straight and true on motorways. BTW my Bitubo damper is still functioning correctly after 6 years/45,000 miles and is usually set at 3 clicks out from soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbikerrick Posted December 16, 2005 Author Share Posted December 16, 2005 Yup...rear shock. If it starts to bleed I suggest a freshning up.Not rebuildable but for $750 I'd get REAL creative. The top seal is pressed/sandwiched in....nothing you can do with it....supposedly. Maybe I got lucky...maybe a cleaning / frehs oil would save someone elses. Worth a try... Same with the dampner...I'd be trying to find a way to keep it seviceable. Thats just my way...thats how I got hooked on Guzzi...para millitary...field seviceable farm equipment...I like that. 70755[/snapback] I like your way of thinking, what exactly was your procedure for changing the oil in the shock, If you dont mind sharing it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouiji Veck Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I happen to be fortunate enough to have an old racing friend who is now in the suspension buisness...So I ended up bringing it to him. He was fairly confident he could rebuild it but alas was thwarted...he gave it a shot with a cleaning, new sweeper and fresh oil. At the time he felt the operation was probably a failure except perhaps it was a case of the seal drying out and "rolling". (the bike had been laid up for many months) He insisted on not charging me but I insisted on paying just for the mess if nothing else. (Been there...done that a few times. hurrendous) Any way it's been 100% the last 12Kmi. The same service can be done in your garage (the top screws off...it comes apart...drain...fill...bleed. It's the bleed part thats hell to me. Gotta get all the air out all the way back to the "gas" bottle. Pumping the piston and pouring oil...more pumping...more pouring.. then get it charged with nitrigen,,, pain in the butt) but for $75.00 it's a no brainer. If there's someone out there in AZ. that does shocks etc. (Husky uses Sachs) give em a jingle and see what they say, otherwise you could try my friend now that he's familliar with the Guzzi Sachs. http://www.ccycle.com/ You didn't mention actually having a problem and since your in AZ you'll probable be riding so it's not an issue but to anyone laying thier bike up for the winter it might be a good idea to swab a little lube on that seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbikerrick Posted December 17, 2005 Author Share Posted December 17, 2005 I happen to be fortunate enough to have an old racing friend who is now in the suspension buisness...So I ended up bringing it to him. He was fairly confident he could rebuild it but alas was thwarted...he gave it a shot with a cleaning, new sweeper and fresh oil. At the time he felt the operation was probably a failure except perhaps it was a case of the seal drying out and "rolling". (the bike had been laid up for many months) He insisted on not charging me but I insisted on paying just for the mess if nothing else. (Been there...done that a few times. hurrendous) Any way it's been 100% the last 12Kmi. The same service can be done in your garage (the top screws off...it comes apart...drain...fill...bleed. It's the bleed part thats hell to me. Gotta get all the air out all the way back to the "gas" bottle. Pumping the piston and pouring oil...more pumping...more pouring.. then get it charged with nitrigen,,, pain in the butt) but for $75.00 it's a no brainer. If there's someone out there in AZ. that does shocks etc. (Husky uses Sachs) give em a jingle and see what they say, otherwise you could try my friend now that he's familliar with the Guzzi Sachs. http://www.ccycle.com/ You didn't mention actually having a problem and since your in AZ you'll probable be riding so it's not an issue but to anyone laying thier bike up for the winter it might be a good idea to swab a little lube on that seal. 70796[/snapback] Thanks for the info ,Bro. right now my shock is fine( I need to lube the rear eyelet mount to keep it from breaking as suggested here) and Im still riding every day, but its good to have the link you sent me just in case for future reference. Happy Holidays ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 ( I need to lube the rear eyelet mount to keep it from breaking as suggested here) 70843[/snapback] OK, I missed that one. Grease the mount bolt? Oil the heims? At the swing arm or the frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbikerrick Posted December 19, 2005 Author Share Posted December 19, 2005 OK, I missed that one. Grease the mount bolt? Oil the heims? At the swing arm or the frame? 70872[/snapback] Docc, somewhere here ive read that there have been instances of the rear shock mount eyelet on the sachs shock cracking and splitting in half. There has been corrosion found between the eyelet and the mounting bolt, (rearmost one) so it was suggested to remove the bolt,coat with grease ,and re insert it. Hope this helps, Im going to do mine soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Barrett Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Docc, somewhere here ive read that there have been instances of the rear shock mount eyelet on the sachs shock cracking and splitting in half. There has been corrosion found between the eyelet and the mounting bolt, (rearmost one) so it was suggested to remove the bolt,coat with grease ,and re insert it. Hope this helps, Im going to do mine soon. 71068[/snapback] Here's a link to my Shook Horror thread. I think we've knowledge of only 3 or four instances of failures, both top and bottom mount. No definate cause suspected manufacturing defect or damage probably not helped by dry assembly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 Greeze be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Scary thing, dredging up old threads! At around 67,000 miles my Bitubo has spit up its oil. With a properly set-up suspension (springs, sag, Ohlins rear, and such) I decided to just take the oil out. It still actually 'damps' when cranked way up, but at the least settings, there is no resistance and low speed parking turns are completely unrestricted. I'm really not sure if that's a good thing . . . Yet, I hear there have been plenty of early Red Frames stripped of their dampers entirely. Anyone lived to tell about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavomir Musilek (R.I.P.) Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 try this one http://www.tribleperformance.com/category.php?id_category=11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docc Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 That one looks a lot more like the original Bitubo than the Hyperpro does. How does 4,050 Kc translate to the US dollar? (The Hyperpro is currently $349) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavomir Musilek (R.I.P.) Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 That one looks a lot more like the original Bitubo than the Hyperpro does. How does 4,050 Kc translate to the US dollar? (The Hyperpro is currently $349) just switch currency on the top of the page 245,66 USD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 This may be the best alternative I've seen so far, Slavomir! Do you (or anyone here) have personal experience from it? Or know anyone that has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom M Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Hey Doc, I replaced my Bitubo with a cheap Shindy and have no complaints, but I don't have one of those treacherous red frames . Traxxion Dynamics had a higher quality rebuildable damper available for the V11, but I don't see it on their website anymore. I'm sure a phone call would get you the info on it. FWIW here's my steering damper thread: http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?...5&hl=Shindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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