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3 minutes ago, guzziart said:
FWIW, my '03 Lemans had an annoying hand numbing vibration between 3500-4500 rpm when I bought it in '15. The original owner installed DAS Mototec clip ons that I thought might be the problem but after reading posts that others had the same issue with oe bars, i let the clip ons stay. I installed a pair of "heavy" bar ends (don't recall the brand), gave the bike a "decent tune up" and somehow the vibration is no longer hand numbing.
Yes. Might need to find some heavy bar end weights...this vibration in the grips is the only fault I have with the V11 Sport.
The rest of the machine is indeed pure motorcycle bliss.
Well, and the brakes are weaker than I like...
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1 minute ago, LowRyter said:
I think they are solid bar inserts, not just bar ends.
I'll take them out in the Spring and see if the rubber is missing inside.
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2 hours ago, PJPR01 said:
You can also use a Crampbuster, I find this indispensable on all of my bikes to eliminate any wrist cramping, but it also tends to isolate some of the vibes to the palm of the hand, not the fingers or wrist. On the other hand a well tuned V11 should be pleasant to ride at that rpm level, so I'd get quite a few more rides in to see if it's really behaving oddly or just a question of bonding with the bike.
However, above 6k and on up, the bike does smooth out a lot...just depends if you like to ride at higher RPM's or not...I'll call this hooligan territory for lack of a better word as the responsiveness is instantaneous, but I'm sure you're used to that also with the Ducatis.
Either way, it's fun figuring it out and tinkering, as long as there are no bolts loose anywhere, and these bikes do require inspection of every bolt on a regular basis as I've been told by Chuck, Mike at MPH and others...and it's true!
Yes. As for the bolts, that is what loctite is for.
I'm more a fan of midrange RPM, but I will find the right cadence for the Guzzi in the Spring and go from there.
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7 hours ago, Chris Wilson said:
Yes, use the stock bar end wieghts as stoppers jamming in a length of rubber hose that is just longer than the available internal length and has its OD just smaller than the ID of the bar.
This is assuming of course that your clip ons are hollow!
This should negate some of the waves travelling up and down each end.
Chris.
I will check on these in the Spring. Lots of hand-numbing vibes at 3k-5k RPM.
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6 minutes ago, Lucky Phil said:
Ok but as docc points out and I alluded to the Guzzi 15M ecu has no relearn or learn functionality. Later ECU's do for Idle and some car ecu's such as the one fitted to my old Monaro (Pontiac GTO) have quite sophisticated ecu learning capabilities so they can for example detect if the air filter is very dirty and make fuelling adjustments to compensate. They also have "short term" and "long term" learning capability.
Sometimes I pick up on phrases and cues to determine an experts actual knowledge to determine what a situation is.
Ciao
He's been working on Ducati and Guzzi since the 1980s. He's working at a Guzzi dealer, and always does top work for me.
I think my bike is fine in his very capable hands.
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43 minutes ago, docc said:
The only parameter my V11 ever "relearned" has been the undauntable effects of gravity. Otherwise, it's 15m ECU doesn't have that capability. Pretty sure that started with the next ECU in 2006?
I think it is a case of me not remembering what he said properly.
I think he meant the ECM relearn. This was a couple months ago.
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35 minutes ago, Lucky Phil said:
Was this a term your Guzzi guru described to you?
Ciao
Yes.
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32 minutes ago, po18guy said:
What competition?
*sweats in BMW GS* 😂
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1 hour ago, Scud said:
What makes Moto Guzzi quirky? How about distinctive, unique, different, etc? I think it's because they generally do their own thing and are not trying to copy anybody. Historically, at least, they seem to be designed and built by real-world riders and enthusiasts. And I think location matters a bit too. With the factory nestled in the Italian Alps, they make bikes suited to endless twisty roads, and aren't overly concerned with peak horsepower or 0-60mph times. They build bikes for the real world.
Totally agree. Hence, low-down torque and great turn-in and braking.
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59 minutes ago, footgoose said:
The 'fits and niggles' of our era Guzzi are a result of an old world motor co being kept on life support by passionate Italian folk who simply refused to let it die. Guzzi was a normal competitive motorcycle co. and relative equal in the moto world till the CB750 emerged in '69. A day of reckoning for every other brand as well. It was up to the "driven" players and the bean counters to make necessary changes (if the money was there) or let your marque die. So think of it from the business decisions made at the time while many other brands went by the wayside, Guzzi moved ahead with what they had. An old motor they couldn't afford to replace, and the desire to build and sell bikes. They spent what they could on what they felt was a priority. Internationally, police motorcycles kept a cash flow. Dr John Wittner gave them the public performance injection needed at just the right time. Sure there were other models available but the spine frames were what kept the marque moving forward technically, at a pretty dark time.
When I look at the stupid wiring or bicycle grade gauges, or sub standard castings, or obvious afterthought arrangements, I see acceptable loss when all that mattered was a price point that had to be reached. I see passion and patriotism, and love. I don't get the feeling they were cheating in any way to just make money. (C'mon, you know nylon is not what designers preferred for gas tanks) What we're left with is the answer to a math problem several decades old. The sooner you think of your bike as the Italians had to to just get her produced and to market, the sooner you can learn to have a glass of wine and just enjoy the relationship. Just change what they could not.
To me 'strange and quirky'.. are, for my Guzzi, terms of endearment.... like... "my girlfriend is crazy" but you should meet her, and you'll see everything about her is not "standard."
I totally get it about Guzzis now that I have one. I really "get" it.
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9 minutes ago, docc said:
Ah, all good then. Those can be reconstituted with a little vino, olive oil, heat and parmigiana.
Like good food, the V11 responds to involvement.
But does not suffer neglect.
Great to hear, Docc.
I love to eat, and don't neglect my machines.
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20 minutes ago, docc said:
You're not trying to say that the V11 electrical system is like a wearing a G-string in a Calgary crosswind?
No. I'm saying that the V11 wiring harness is like boiled spaghetti noodles left out to dry in the Summer sun. 😂
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4 minutes ago, docc said:
What makes you think they are "so quirky?"
(I mean, besides the community.
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Well, coming from more "homogeneously-engineered" Japan Inc. motorcycles, years ago...Guzzis are just totally different.
Longitudinal drivetrain, shaft drive, weird wiring, kickstand, separate transmission, bevel box, dry clutch, linked braking system, I am sure there are other things that I haven't heard about yet...Guzzis are just a different kind of animal.
The only machine stranger would be an air cooled BMW boxer, or or Munch Mammut.
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7 minutes ago, docc said:
Early reports of grip vibration (along with reports of "twitchy" handling) on the RedFrame Sports likely led rather quickly to the V11 Longframe and wider rear wheel/tire with longer forks to attach the clip-ons above the top triple clamp. Then: ~ handlebars ~ . . .
Seriously, for a RedFrame Sport: beyond performing, repeatedly, a meticulous Decent Tune-up, setting up the suspension with springs correct for your weight and settling on reliable tires/tire pressures will work wonders for your Sport's "feel."
Otherwise, I would say the early Sport naturally feels more like a Fender P-bass through a Marshall amp in a concrete corner than a cello in the forest . . .
An excellent description, as always, Docc! 😆
I'll learn to deal with it, one way or the other. Love my Guzzi.
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15 minutes ago, Desdinova said:
In spite of themselves, they are a quite reliable machine. My favorite reads were of those by the guy from Seattle that used to make the "Alaska" run and he'd post about all the parts he came back with in his saddlebags... that just kinda fell off, but weren't really needed. I guess it's a matter of with a little love, they will get you home.
My story is a Convert I purchased, rode home from PA to MD, then to VA to have it looked at because it wasn't running right. Imagine my surprise when they showed me I was only on one cylinder !!!!!! I mean the bike was sluggish, and barely made it up to highway speeds... but it got me home and out to a mechanic.. That was when I really started taking a serious look at Moto Guzzi and I finally "got it."Yes, these machines really are workhorses.
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18 minutes ago, docc said:
I had my (hefty) factory bar-end weight inserts machined to accept CRG bar-end mirrors and ditched the "stalk mirrors." Not to everyone's liking, but improved the felt vibration. Italian made ProGrip "Superbike" grips made it even better.
Nothing really made the major difference until the effects of the Decent Tune-up took hold . . .
Well, I only rode mine once before the Guzzi Guru at my Guzzi/Ducati dealer did everything maintenance related, including the throttle body resynchronization and relearn.
I got it back dry (no gas in the tank) as I requested...so perhaps it is no longer an issue. I won't know either way until I can ride her again in the Spring.
Going to be a long boring Winter.
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I was reading a very interesting thread on V11 sidestands, and it got me thinking about how non-standard so much is on a Guzzi.
Please feel free to sound off about the quirky nature of these mechanical beasts.
I might learn something, which would be great, as I am trying to learn as much as possible about the V11 Sport.
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I have stock clipons and what apparently are stock bar end weights.
No vibration felt at all in the footpegs, so all good there.
Can anyone recommend an alternate bar end weight that dampens the hand numbing vibration?
Thank you all!
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On 12/14/2021 at 10:36 PM, Chris Wilson said:
Hi Phil, the number of side stand feet and the mount bolts coming loose is then due to something g else besides harmonics?
And the side stand is a bonus on a bike with no centre stand?
I doubt that a road worthy certificate would be issued unless its standard issue.
Chris.
I'd really love a center stand on my V11 Sport.
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I'm shocked how far forward the sidestand mounts to the front left engine sump.
If not for the folded wire halfway up the sidestand, there would be no way for me to reach it while astride the bike.
Very strange sidestand design and location...but I kind of like it the more I look at it and use it.
Quirky Moto Guzzi... being quirky.
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On 12/18/2021 at 5:36 PM, VtwinStorm said:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125050594503?hash=item1d1d98a4c7:g:AwoAAOSwV~hhuOSu
I'm not associated with the seller, but for those who are looking for one Stateside...this looks clean and not too expensive for the sex appeal and rarity.
Also, cheaper than a new V2 Panigale. Wanna talk curb appeal?
If I had the space for it, and made a little more money, I'd buy this big Guzzi for myself.
As time goes on, I'm appreciating the Guzzi Daytona more and more.
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3 hours ago, Twin AH said:
Euro fairing................. yummy and rare.
Monoposto...just a gorgeous bike.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/125050594503?hash=item1d1d98a4c7:g:AwoAAOSwV~hhuOSu
I'm not associated with the seller, but for those who are looking for one Stateside...this looks clean and not too expensive for the sex appeal and rarity.
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What a sexy machine.
Nero Corsa Discovery and Refresh
in 24/7 V11
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Some very tasty bits you have there, Scud!