stefano Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 i recently purchased a 2002 leMans after lusting after a guzzi for many years, i've been riding a BMW R100RS for the last 20 years, i still have it, still like it. here's the question. is there a proper start up drill for the guzzi? sometimes it will crank right up. other times when i push the start button, it won't crank 'til i put it in gear, then shift into neutral (all the while pushing on the start button)then it'll crank & start. lately it won't crank 'til i push the right bar kill switch to kill, then push it to run, then it'll crank & start. it's never left me stranded, always starts after doing some of above. oh, yeah, i have the kickstand up & clutch in. hmmmm. am i doing something wrong? i just put in a new set on relays,but didn't help the starting drill. i love the V11, it's everything i'd hoped it'd be & more, the riding thrill is back. cheers, stefano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagehenry Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Mine: Warm out, no fast idle lever, Colder, lever to full, then turn throttle open a bit, sidestand down, clutch in, hit the button. Dependable more than 99% Do you get the neutral light and other dash lights on before you crank it? Does the neutral light turn on and off faithfully as you snick it in and out of gear, not running? (Neutral switch at trans issues?) Does it make a difference if you try it with the sidestand down and clutch in? Will it turn over in neutral when the stands down but the clutch isn't depressed? (Clutch switch and/or sidestand safety switch issues) Do you notice it starts after moving the bars? (the infamous clutch switch bullet connectors) Also, check the relays to make sure they are tight in the sockets, not loose or even popping out. Mine have before... When I got mine from the original owner, I pulled EVERY electrical connection I could get to, and cleaned/lubed. Hope it's a start for you, S.H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefano Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 Mine: Warm out, no fast idle lever, Colder, lever to full, then turn throttle open a bit, sidestand down, clutch in, hit the button. Dependable more than 99% Do you get the neutral light and other dash lights on before you crank it? Does the neutral light turn on and off faithfully as you snick it in and out of gear, not running? (Neutral switch at trans issues?) Does it make a difference if you try it with the sidestand down and clutch in? Will it turn over in neutral when the stands down but the clutch isn't depressed? (Clutch switch and/or sidestand safety switch issues) Do you notice it starts after moving the bars? (the infamous clutch switch bullet connectors) Also, check the relays to make sure they are tight in the sockets, not loose or even popping out. Mine have before... When I got mine from the original owner, I pulled EVERY electrical connection I could get to, and cleaned/lubed. Hope it's a start for you, S.H. i've been starting the machine with the sidestand up, i thought this was a safty feature so u couldn't ride off with sidestand down to a disastrous left turn....just went out to the garage, sidestand down, in neutral (light on) clutch in, push start, starts right up. maybe the code is broken... thanks for the reply & hints stef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagehenry Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Try this: Bike on stand/wood and jack under oil pan/have someone you trust hold it up. Sidestand up. Plunge the switch in and out while you spray clean, then lube the sidestand switch. If it fixes it, great. Doesn't? ONE less thing to worry about. And lube the sidestand pivot while you're there. And the 2 spring's contact point's, and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Jaap Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Mine: Warm out, no fast idle lever, Colder, lever to full, then turn throttle open a bit, sidestand down, clutch in, hit the button. Dependable more than 99% Do you get the neutral light and other dash lights on before you crank it? Does the neutral light turn on and off faithfully as you snick it in and out of gear, not running? (Neutral switch at trans issues?) Does it make a difference if you try it with the sidestand down and clutch in? Will it turn over in neutral when the stands down but the clutch isn't depressed? (Clutch switch and/or sidestand safety switch issues) Do you notice it starts after moving the bars? (the infamous clutch switch bullet connectors) Also, check the relays to make sure they are tight in the sockets, not loose or even popping out. Mine have before... When I got mine from the original owner, I pulled EVERY electrical connection I could get to, and cleaned/lubed. Hope it's a start for you, S.H. i've been starting the machine with the sidestand up, i thought this was a safty feature so u couldn't ride off with sidestand down to a disastrous left turn....just went out to the garage, sidestand down, in neutral (light on) clutch in, push start, starts right up. maybe the code is broken... thanks for the reply & hints stef That's normal, bike will start with sidestand down, but only when in neutral (bike has to able to idle on the sidestand). For the procedure I'm with Savagehenry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScuRoo Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hey Stefano! I know a bloke (a dealer) who would probably come up with an alternative and totally unique starting drill... shall I ask him for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefano Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 Try this: Bike on stand/wood and jack under oil pan/have someone you trust hold it up. Sidestand up. Plunge the switch in and out while you spray clean, then lube the sidestand switch. If it fixes it, great. Doesn't? ONE less thing to worry about. And lube the sidestand pivot while you're there. And the 2 spring's contact point's, and... being a machinist, first thing i did was build a stand similar to ones i've seen on this site. actually first thing was valve cover gaskets, gonna check clearances. guess i better get a shop manual for the V11, eh? so much new stuff to learn. thanks, stef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Stefano, Like you, I had to get a V11 LeMans to satisfy my lust. I had multiple starting problems. I ended up eliminating the On-Off switch, and the clutch switch, shorting the leads going to them. Bikes I had in my youth never had this stuff, and I survived. I did leave the sidestand switch, consequences of riding off with the stand down bother me. I also moved the fuel pump out from under the tank, where it resides above the LH cylinder. It cooks there, causing vapor lock. No problems since. If you have the time and inclination, build ten or so of the stands, and I bet you could sell them on this site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefano Posted October 17, 2010 Author Share Posted October 17, 2010 Mine: Warm out, no fast idle lever, Colder, lever to full, then turn throttle open a bit, sidestand down, clutch in, hit the button. Dependable more than 99% Do you get the neutral light and other dash lights on before you crank it? Does the neutral light turn on and off faithfully as you snick it in and out of gear, not running? (Neutral switch at trans issues?) Does it make a difference if you try it with the sidestand down and clutch in? Will it turn over in neutral when the stands down but the clutch isn't depressed? (Clutch switch and/or sidestand safety switch issues) Do you notice it starts after moving the bars? (the infamous clutch switch bullet connectors) Also, check the relays to make sure they are tight in the sockets, not loose or even popping out. Mine have before... When I got mine from the original owner, I pulled EVERY electrical connection I could get to, and cleaned/lubed. Hope it's a start for you, S.H. i've been starting the machine with the sidestand up, i thought this was a safty feature so u couldn't ride off with sidestand down to a disastrous left turn....just went out to the garage, sidestand down, in neutral (light on) clutch in, push start, starts right up. maybe the code is broken... thanks for the reply & hints stef That's normal, bike will start with sidestand down, but only when in neutral (bike has to able to idle on the sidestand). For the procedure I'm with Savagehenry. you guys forgot one more part of the drill. Keep Fingers Crossed. ;-) bike started flawlessly yesterday (except one time) but it always starts. not to worry, i'll sort it out. i used to ride a norton commando, now THERE was a bike with issues. i was still sad to see it go when time came to thin the herd......cheers, stef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoguzzi Posted October 17, 2010 Share Posted October 17, 2010 I had lust and filled it w/a 2002 as well. mine needs a quick hit of the starter, pause then 1/4 turn throttle and push start again.. then I go! knock on wood I have never had a problem and I ride everyday to work and home since may 1 this summer.. ME in LOVE! from two weeks ago, sorry for your problems and I can sympathize, I've had other Guzzi dilemas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gino Rondelli Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I had lust and filled it w/a 2002 as well. mine needs a quick hit of the starter, pause then 1/4 turn throttle and push start again.. then I go! knock on wood I have never had a problem and I ride everyday to work and home since may 1 this summer.. ME in LOVE! from two weeks ago, sorry for your problems and I can sympathize, I've had other Guzzi dilemas. Brilliant Video! Inspired me to dig the V11 out again, not used it this year Spent all year touring on the Norton Commando and my Breva but also missed the V11, I WILL use it next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefano Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 I had lust and filled it w/a 2002 as well. mine needs a quick hit of the starter, pause then 1/4 turn throttle and push start again.. then I go! knock on wood I have never had a problem and I ride everyday to work and home since may 1 this summer.. ME in LOVE! from two weeks ago, sorry for your problems and I can sympathize, I've had other Guzzi dilemas. Brilliant Video! Inspired me to dig the V11 out again, not used it this year Spent all year touring on the Norton Commando and my Breva but also missed the V11, I WILL use it next year! yeah, photoguzzi's video was great. BTW, i also love my guzzi, i ride so much more since getting it. winter is coming, plenty time to sort any problems. i think the 2 best upgreads i did for my commando was the boyer ignition, thost twin points were a pain, also installed single mikuni, i'm not a purist, made it fairly reliable. also pined the swing arm spindle,that combined with the isolastics made for some interesting handling. :-) not to mention right side shift, 1 up, 3 down....... cheers, stef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd davis Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 I had lust and filled it w/a 2002 as well. mine needs a quick hit of the starter, pause then 1/4 turn throttle and push start again.. then I go! knock on wood I have never had a problem and I ride everyday to work and home since may 1 this summer.. ME in LOVE! from two weeks ago, sorry for your problems and I can sympathize, I've had other Guzzi dilemas. Nice video! Been a long time since I've ridden the roads in Minnesota. Might have to take a trip home next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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