ScuRoo Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Ouch, I bet Guzzi were a bit miffed... maybe a little concerned. No USP respect! http://www.returnofthecaferacers.com/2013/04/laverda-v6-racing-concept.html#more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScuRoo Posted May 3, 2013 Author Share Posted May 3, 2013 Oi, there's gotta be some industrial espionage going on here...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoguzzi Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 1941 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoguzzi Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 How do you post a full size code.. I'm not allowed to anymore. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuzziMoto Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 As I recall the Lambretta was a tit for tat manuever. Lambretta was getting too close to Guzzi's market with that one so Guzzi came out with a scooter. Lambretta promptly caved and stopped encroaching on Guzzi's market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Jaap Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 How do you post a full size code.. I'm not allowed to anymore. ? Just click the Image button in the editor and copy the image URL in the popup. Should work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Jaap Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 As I recall the Lambretta was a tit for tat manuever. Lambretta was getting too close to Guzzi's market with that one so Guzzi came out with a scooter. Lambretta promptly caved and stopped encroaching on Guzzi's market. The Lambretta was a racer and afaik never came into production. And by 1953 Guzzi didn't even have a transverse V-twin. Guzzi came with a scooter because everyone did then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luhbo Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 In fact it shows so many fine details and bike specific solutions that most probably Guzzi has bought them for their yet to come big tourer, not vice versa. Besides that it's quite hard to come behind who's been working for whom, officially as engineering support or behind the scenes. There were a lot of specialised freelancers on the market, in the same way as it is still today. Below is a picture from a Mick Walker book, showing a small Gilera project from '62. The interessting part is the lower right corner. What V-engine was standing in Gilera's race shop at this time? And why? Development job for another company? For doing field-studies? Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuzziMoto Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 This is what I was referring to. From Wiki, but I have seen it mentioned elsewhere as well. "Moto Guzzi was limited in its endeavors to penetrate the important scooter market as motorcycle popularity waned after WWII. Italian scooter competitors would not tolerate an incursion from Moto Guzzi. By innovating the first large-wheeled scooter, Guzzi competed less directly with manufacturers of small-wheeled scooters such as Piaggio (Vespa) and Lambretta. To illustrate the delicate balance within the Italian post-war motorcycle and scooter markets, when Guzzi developed their own prototype for a small-wheeled scooter, Lambretta retaliated with a prototype for a small V-twin motorcycle threatening to directly compete on Moto Guzzi's turf. The two companies compromised: Guzzi never produced their small-wheeled scooter and Lambretta never manufactured the motorcycle. Notably, the drive train that Lambretta made in their 1953 motorcycle prototype remarkably resembles the V-twin + drive shaftarrangement that Guzzi developed more than ten years later, ultimately to become iconic of the company." Guzzi made big wheeled scooters and started developing a small wheeled scooter, and Lambretta started playing with the 250 V twin. That 250 V twin may have been in response to Guzzi developing a scooter small wheeled scooter. Guzzi stopped developing small wheeled scooters and Lambretta stopped playing with full size bikes. At least that is how I understand it. But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Jaap Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I could be wrong too, but the Wiki article sounds a bit speculative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luhbo Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Do you know this site: http://www.philaphoto.com/imageLibrary/displayimage.php?album=1159&pos=0 Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshguzzi Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Slightly off topic, I know, but I'm intersted in the length of the swing arm on that Laverda - is there an optimum length (relative to the wheelbase) or is it a case of the longer the better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Jaap Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Do you know this site: http://www.philaphoto.com/imageLibrary/displayimage.php?album=1159&pos=0 Hubert Didn't know the site, but the bike is shown a few posts above on this page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luhbo Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Sorry, my fault. The link should have been this one: http://www.philaphoto.com/imageLibrary/displayimage.php?album=1159&pos=1 Hubert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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