Guest Britcheflee Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Any idea what this is? (see pic) it is attached by a plastic tie and slides up and down the bar it is attached to - no wires going to it and no markings on it? What is it? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helicopterjim R.I.P. Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I have no idea! I looked at my bike and I definitely do not have one. Have any Iraqi's had access to your bike lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Barrett Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Is it a transponder thingy for either toll roads/bridges/tunnels; auto garage opening or a tracking device installed covertly by the "fun" Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete roper Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 It's a dope box for carrying your eckies in you dill! Good Lord! Martin calls himself a copper, no wonder Herts is awash with designer drugs, speedfreaks and Chavs if the wallopers are fooled by such a simple device Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helicopterjim R.I.P. Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 It's a dope box for carrying your eckies in you dill! Good Lord! Martin calls himself a copper, no wonder Herts is awash with designer drugs, speedfreaks and Chavs if the wallopers are fooled by such a simple device Pete 62451[/snapback] Bloody hell! I live in Chilliwack, the (bona fide) ecstasy manufacturing capitol of the world and I did not even know what that device was for!!!!! I think I should be looking at all the bikes I own!!!! Oh my god! I could be an unwilling carrier! Oh the horror! Peter! What have you uncovered? P.S. Thank f@#&$^g christ Martin is a pommy copper!!! I could be doing 20 years on one of those treadmills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v50man Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I believe it's one of those devices designed to trigger traffic lights. Forget the name, but it allows the vehicle to be detected by radar(?) which tells the traffic light there's a car in position. They work -- keep it on. v50 Since the introduction of electromagnets as traffic signal controllers in the 1960's (called inductive loops), the vast majority of US traffic signals have implemented the technology. Hence, motorcyclists, bicyclists, and small car owners have had ever-growing difficulty getting signals to change for them. It's because these electromagnets (which usually appear as large black rectangles cut into the lanes at intersections) ONLY recognize iron (not aluminum, titanium, rubber, weight, or plastic) - smaller vehicles, and many newer vehicles, just don't have much iron in them… So, traffic lights don't know a vehicle is waiting - and they don't change - EVER! 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pete roper Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Only problem with that theory is that it's crap. Sorry, the inductive coil type pick-up work by having an emf created in them by moving any metalic object through them. It doesn't have to be iron, any metal will do. They may well not detect some vehicles due to their moving too slowly or the field of the coil simply not having enough strength to be significantly altered by the smaller mass, but what that mass is, as long as it's electromagnetically conductive or inductive doesn't matter. Will such a device work? Well it depends what it's made of. If it is something that creates its own disruptive magnetic field, yes. If it's just a plastic box with *Magic Stuff* in it? No. I rarely have trouble triggering lights but there aren't any in Bungendore and the roads in Canberra always have scads of toadies in cars to trigger 'em for me so I dunno for sure. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belfastguzzi Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I rarely have trouble triggering lights62463[/snapback] that would be your metal helmet, then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrt Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Only problem with that theory is that it's crap. 62463[/snapback] You'd need a hell of a magnetic field to trigger a traffic light-a permanant magnet is too small to fit and the charging system on the V11 won't support the requirements for an electromagnet. Now, if you want something that absolutely works, build a high output IR flasher (~100 Hz). It's probably illegal, but it uses the detectors that emergency vehicles use to trigger lights. They use very little power since you can make them from a pad of LED's. If you want a circuit diagram, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stewart Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Any idea what this is? (see pic) it is attached by a plastic tie and slides up and down the bar it is attached to - no wires going to it and no markings on it? What is it? Lee 62445[/snapback] Lee, Perhaps it is an extra set of keys? Break her open and find out before some else does. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Britcheflee Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Ha!!! The keys theory sounds good - Ill check it this morning - the only reason I say this is because it is not very heavy and I would imagine that the 'signal sourcer' thing is probably one of those super powerful 'rare earth' magnets - thats why it warns about getting your finger between it and any metal - my father in law has one for picking up nails etc and the bloody thing is incredibly strong - we have one of those in the ground coils to open a large loading bay door - I might take a magnet one day and see if it works - I laid my keys right down on it one time and it did not open so obviously needs a large metal object to affect the field - I imagine it works like a motor where the metal passes through a simple coil to generate a small amount of electricty to trigger a switch? Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Britcheflee Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Well, I took it off and it is indeed magnetized - but does not have a very strong magnet - was not doing any harm there so Ill put it back the key thing gave me an idea though as I think I might get something like that to put my spare key in - I am pretty sure it does not work as I was stuck at one of those 'sensing' traffic lights late one night after work - after the signals went through two cycles I had not option but to run a red or I would have been there all night! Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callison Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 It's one of those magnets sold as a "Green Light". I doubt they actually work any better than a similarly sized chunk of iron. I got curious about this and did a quick search on WebCrawler for "traffic detector loops specifications". That got me to the Diablo Controls (a typical company for this stuff in California) and the spec sheets for their units. There are a lot of settings that the units can be programmed with. I'll bet a beer that their selection of "normal" as shipped is what is typically being used virtually everywhere because the traffic engineers are just going to "Plug and Play" rather than setting up their systems to accomodate different types of vehicles. Perhaps we should be engaing in a letter writing to the manufacturers of these things so they get shipped with appropriate settiings rather than letting lazy traffic engineers fail to do the right thing. Going a bit further down the list of WebCrawler hits, I found this jewel of information: A vehicle entering the detection zone above the loop will “absorb some of the radio frequency energy” present in the loop. The reason that this absorption occurs is due to eddy currents in the vehicle body and frame, and not the engine as is sometimes thought (ITE, 1985). Since the passing or standing vehicle absorbed energy, the loop inductance falls. The detector is set to recognize an absolute or relative inductance change (∆L or ∆L/L, respectively) of at least a minimum amount, termed the “sensitivity” of the detector. Aha!!! We need to ABSORB the energy. A magnet won't do diddly squat for that - we could add layers of microwave absorbent "stealth" foam to bottom of our bikes or perhaps a Helmholtz resonator tuned to the rf frequency of the detector loop. Well, probably not. Not enough space down there for that - but - in the true tradition of radar speed detectors, there is not any reason why a detector for the vehicle use couldn't be built that determines the frequency of the traffic detector loop and then generates a matching frequency (and pulse if necessar) and transmits to the detector loop an out of phase signal to electronically "absorb" the signal. All we're tryiing to do here is convince the electronic hardware attached to the loop that the signal is indeed being "absorbed" by a vehicle and to operate as it should. Call it an electronic "footprint" enhancer. Hey Cliff, I have a new "project" for ya!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staedtler Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 is one of those things to keep dogs away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stewart Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 is one of those things to keep dogs away? 62483[/snapback] No, no, no, it is a mystery box to keep the vapor lock away Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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