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11 hours ago, jmardy said:
LOL. I don't use it much, I swear but all my other bikes feel like wood. This one is responsive and linear with a great feel.
You ever sell yours?
Decided to keep it.
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That's not in Sac; that's that Vegas dealer again. Same one as last time?
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Hey @jmardy - I actually mentioned the bike on here a couple days ago. You should be aware you've already been accused of being a "Harley guy" (whatever that means) for your comment on the rear brake.
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1 hour ago, po18guy said:
Zero mile Greenie, $44??? OK, it's 1/12 scale...
I have a Rosso Mandello version of that to match my bike.
In other news:1. Need some cans and a crossover? $20, but I can't say whether they'll ship.
2. What looks like a pretty clean '03 Le Mans with just 10,500 miles showed up on BARF a couple days ago for $3,600—although it is a "Selling for a friend" scenario, so who knows. The person that posted it is a long-time member and I believe fairly reputable, at least as motorcyclists go.
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1 hour ago, gstallons said:
Fastenal depends on the area . The Paducah store is almost mail order and The one in Calvert City is incredible . You can't get your sentence finished before a salesman says "how many ?"
If time isn't critical, ordering from Fastenal online can get you exactly what you want, and I've found their customer service to be very helpful. Like you, I tend to keep a bunch of fasteners, old and new, on hand, so when I put in an order, I just get a bunch of stuff "in case."
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I saw the bike at the 2018 Quail and was intrigued by it. It's been discussed here before. Interesting stuff.
44 minutes ago, po18guy said:Too bad Motus (R.I.P.) did not take this route. They "could have", Rotax-like, sold their engines to various boutique manufacturers and perhaps stayed in production.
Motus was selling their engines for other applications.
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@Twin AH, you realize it's a holiday, right? I'm surprised you want to get all time-sensitive and publicly nudge me to "encourage a response" after starting no less than three separate threads with me and ignoring simple requests like "make me an offer." So I've decided I'm gonna keep the carbon bits on the bike for now. Cheers.
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@Vic the rack is actually part of a Hepco & Becker hard luggage rack that accommodates side cases as well (this one). If that interests you, shoot me a message and we'll see what we can figure out.
@PJPR01 in my mind, the gloves and bandana go with the bike, like the valve covers and side covers. I don't think it makes sense to split off the "special" stuff, and I'm not sure why you think I'd remove the battery from the bike and sell it to you. I'm not parting out the bike. I do have a pile of dead batteries I am happy to send your way.
Anyone who wants to buy parts: I think I've been pretty clear on what I'm willing to sell separately. If you want any of those items, message me with a reasonable offer. As I said above, I'm not on a timeline to sell, and it may be a while before I can find time to prioritize splitting everything apart from the bike. Quite frankly, the weird messages and demands I've gotten via private message both here and elsewhere are nearly enough to make me keep the bike, simply to avoid dealing with any more nonsense.
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Hey guys, those are the original valve covers, wonderful original condition, not painted. They are beautiful. I have planned to put them back on the bike since I got it, but the black "GUZZI" ones sort of grew on me and I never found the time to do it.
I'm still planning to put the red valve covers back on, along with some of the other stock stuff. The bike is still for sale, but I've been super busy and haven't been pushing it. It's not even on Craigslist right now! Anyway, @jakester I probably will be splitting everything up and selling off stuff separate from the bike at some point (hypothetically soon, once I find the time), mostly to make the price of the bike itself more palatable to potential buyers—but the valve covers and original side covers (along with other stock stuff) will stay with the bike. -
9 minutes ago, LowRyter said:
All V11 Sports and Lemans are beautiful, even the ones sold new in primer. Greenies are the prettiest, no doubt fastest.
This Rosso is a pretty bike with lots of stuff with it, even though it's no Greenie.
I would like to like and LOL at this post, but since I can only do one, I'm forced to do this:
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5 hours ago, swooshdave said:
Because of the low production numbers for any V11 Sport compared to most other bikes they all seem rare.
Like it or not the Greenie isn't rare but it's the most iconic and most recognizable V11 Sport, hands down. It's the one that was always displayed in the magazines and any propaganda.
I'm now getting tired of saying this but here it goes, rare does not equal value. Desirability = value. So those limited production run V11s aren't valuable unless they are desirable to someone.
For some reason the most desirable thing about a Guzzi is how it rides and that's the one thing you can't describe to someone unless they have ridden one. That's one of the things that keeps Guzzi from selling more even today.
But there is always the buyer who buys on only one thing, condition. And they will always pay the most.
We're getting pretty pedantic at this point, but yes, of course, rare doesn't equal desirable—although it is often an inarguable contributor to desirability. No one has said it does. The comments here and on other forums—not to mention at this year's Quail—both on this bike I'm selling and on the "rarer" V11s in general have more than established desirability, so man-to-mansplaining about rarity vs. value is kinda moot, eh?
But this isn't about rarity compared to other bikes anyway, it's about rarity (and yes, desirability) compared to other V11s. I can probably fire up my truck and pick up three to five standard V11s in the next week or so if I roam a bit; finding a single Rosso, Coppa, Scura—all rarer and desirable—will be unlikely to impossible.
Some greenie owners may want to believe that their bikes are the quintessential V11, but what you say about "propaganda" and magazines is simply untrue. The "special models" got tons of ink, and I have several brochures in my office that prove the exact opposite of the green bikes being the sole focus of Guzzi's marketing materials. I shopped for these bikes new, back in the day. You can check out eBay for a glimpse of the array of marketing assets employed by Guzzi, then Aprilia.
If you understand motorcycle marketing (I'm an "industry guy" and a marketing consultant) you know the very existence of the Rosso Mandello, Scura, Coppa Italia, etc, is the same blueprint that Ducati and MV Agusta use with their special models. It's solely about creating desirability, and usually successful—at least for the Italians, though in recent years, Triumph has had some success this too.
Anyway, I expected this sort of "feedback," and this conversation has been had many times before, and apparently will keep on being a standard fixture of motorcycle forums. I think I've said more than enough at this point. Cheers.
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Oh yeah. My 2016 GS went to a guy from Arizona who came up and trailered it back. A few years ago, I sold a '94 E320 Cabriolet on eBay, to a guy from Chicago, who flew out, paid, and drove it to his vacation home in... AZ? Maybe New Mexico? He wanted a clean one for his "relaxation car" or something like that.
I'm definitely noodling on the idea of putting it on eBay to cast a wider net. Also considering BringATrailer.com.
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21 minutes ago, vtwins4life said:
I have been following them since I bought mine and I would say that $8k is the extreme high end of the market, even with extras. I have seem some pristine low mileage examples go for $6-7k. I've seen enough of them in fact to kick myself until my shins ache for buying a $3500 bargain/beater.
My honest opinion is that the mileage is too high on yours to support that price. And I'd buy yours (or make a good offer) in a heartbeat if I could get $8k for my greenie. I have even more into it than that, and I'm sure you're taking a loss too given all of those tasty bits.
VT4L
I've followed V11 pricing since they were new. Greenies, silveries, etc are not Rossos or Scuras or Coppas, etc. If you're basing your POV on standard model pricing, then yeah, I'm way out of line. Yes, I know the standard line about all V11s being "special models," but that's not functionally true. (Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings.)
Your point about mileage is interesting. I thought about bikes that way in the eighties, but haven't thought of 25K as "high miles" on a motorcycle in a long, long time. It's not like the engine is going to blow at 30k, and if the overall condition is very good and the bike is well-maintained, how does a—to my mind, relatively low—mileage number factor into your pricing calculations?
19 minutes ago, 4corsa said:Having bought and sold many bikes, I can say that it really comes down to how much time you have to sell it. If you don't need the cash right away, you will eventually get close to $8k for it. I sold my Scura for $7400 with 23k miles two years ago, with virtually no spare parts and just a Carbon Mistral exhaust. But if you're in a hurry, you may have to lower your expectations a little.
As noted in the ad—and alluded to above—I decided to sell the bike because I can't ride it (very far) due to extensive surgeries in my right leg last summer after being hit by a car. I don't need the cash, and don't have a timeline. But I'm a rider, not a collector, and I hate to have it just sitting in the garage.
The fact that you sold your Scura for $7,400 two years ago with less stuff would seem to support my price. For comparison, I've sold several very specifically set up Beemers in recent years, at premium prices—but still a bargain for the amount of stuff included. In every case, it was like this: zero activity other than occasional "feedback" on the pricing, and then the right buyer would pop up and immediately snatch up the bike. In one case, three buyers popped up within 12 hours of each other and I wished I'd asked more.
I've bought and sold a lot of bikes and cars and guitars and other comparable stuff too. I want to be clear that I'm not approaching this with the Craigslist H-D mentality: "$25k invested!" If I was looking for (or came across) a rare-ish bike for which bodywork was tough to come by, the presence of an additional tank and other stuff would be a big selling point, although some of it (luggage racks, etc) are clearly just nice-to-haves. If someone says to me, "Hey man, I really want that bike, but I don't care about the luggage and the extra tank, but I definitely want the original side covers," I wouldn't point to the price with my middle finger. I'd see if we could work something out, and sell the tank here or on eBay or whatever. I seem to be accumulating a list of people who want some of the parts already anyway.
And anyway, given that standard "modern negotiation tactics" seem to be for the potential buyer to offer 50% of asking or lower and act as if he's doing the seller a favor, the starting price is almost immaterial anyway.
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Thanks guys. And @vtwins4life, I didn't think you were trying to rain on my parade. I was sincerely hoping you might have some reference data for me.
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5 hours ago, vtwins4life said:
It's pretty, but he'll be "looking for $8k" for a long time I think....
Vt4l
"He" is me, @vtwins4life.
I know I'm starting "high," especially when compared to the standard V11s that sit for months on Craigslist at sub-$5k prices. But Rosso Mandellos are extremely rare and that spare tank alone is worth a bundle, I imagine. I couldn't find a single Rosso Mandello for sale anywhere with a price in extensive research, and almost nothing in the last three or four years. Based on pricing of other also-nearly non-existent special models, and extensive conversations at this year's Quail Motorcycle Gathering, I chose $8k as a perhaps-high-but-seemingly-reasonable starting point. Interested parties are welcome to make an offer, of course, but I'm not going to let it go for the price of a rusty greenie with crashmarks on both sides.
If it doesn't sell, maybe I'll just keep it and fire it up to listen to the Magnis now and then. Maybe I'll sell off some of the parts and reduce the price some. Maybe I'll cut it up and make something with ergos that work for my newly-"reconfigured" leg, and sell off the bodywork. Oh, the humanity!
Serious question: what do you think it's worth, and what is that number or range based on?
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36 minutes ago, docc said:
That (matching color) shop chair signifies all of us who have sat in front of our bike for hours in the throes of admiration . . .
(Sheesh: One-of-a-Kind-Rosso-Mandello-Magni-Scura!)
Also an accurate interpretation.
Every time I look at the photos of the bike, I think, "I can't/shouldn't sell this."
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Update: I've been getting a lot of questions about trades, so I added some notes on that. I also added a video demonstrating the sound of the Magni pipes—everyone ought to enjoy that.
Oh, and here's another picture, with a lonely shop chair to signify sadness or whatever.
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8 minutes ago, antmanbee said:
I will wait impatiently
Sorry to hear of your accident and healing issues. It is a shame to have to let that bike go, it's a beauty.
Some more really intensive physical therapy won't bring you back enough to be competent and enjoy it?
I am considering getting a top triple clamp that has bar mounts or drilling mine so I can get a bit more upright position with higher and pulled back bars. Also there are lowering pegs available too.
Thanks. Yeah, physical therapy won't do it. Part of my foot is fused, and my knee is now 50% some dead guy's bones and 50% steel. There is likely another surgery in the works, but the reality is it's not going to get much better. My surgeon is already saying things like "Yeah, you're just gonna be taking a lot of pain pills the rest of your life."
It's purely the leg thing—bars are fine. I've considered lowering the pegs but I don't think the difference will be sufficient.
But I have an RT and a CRF250L, both of which work ok with my leg, or at least the pain isn't so unbearable—and I won't have to cut off a finger in penance if I drop either of those. -
4 minutes ago, antmanbee said:
If you would be willing to sell some of the spares separately, I would possibly be interested in the HB side racks.
Thanks
Let's see what happens. As mentioned above, I may consider that but would like to see if a buyer who wants the whole pile exists first.
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No longer for sale. Decided to keep it.
This is an absolutely beautiful 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport Rosso Mandello, #49 of a worldwide numbered limited edition run of 300. The bike is a bit of a time capsule, with some tasteful, “period correct” mods and a ton of very cool original parts and other bits and bobs, including the tank off another one of the 300 Rosso Mandellos.
The bike has about 25,000 miles on it, but the odometer reads lower, in the high 13k range. Like many V11s, the speedo failed and was replaced under warranty (at 4,234 miles). I have extensive documentation of service and other details from the first/previous owner, and paperwork for the minimal stuff that I did to the bike while under my care, which wasn’t much. I bought the bike from a friend of a friend (the original owner) in Texas and it arrived at my place in Oakland in December 2017.
A few months later, I was hit by a car (while riding a press bike) and after a bunch of surgeries, a total of fourteen days in the hospital and months of not riding, I’m left with a right leg and foot that don’t work well in sportier riding positions. I’m a rider, not a collector, and I hate to have this beautiful thing just sitting here collecting dust. I showed the bike at this year’s Quail Motorcycle Gathering, but even riding it on to the green—hardly a Saddle Sore 1000—it was clear that my leg won’t work with the riding position, and I really don’t want to drop this wonderful example.
The bike is in very, very good shape, rides well and sounds amazing. These are tough to price, so I'll say I'm looking for $8,000. I may consider selling some things separately, but would rather sell the whole pile of stuff to someone who wants a Rosso Mandello with a bunch of good stuff.
Mods:
• Airbox replaced with K&N filters (RU-0630) on stock velocity stacks.
• PowerCommander.
• Penske shock.
• Carbon fiber side panels (from Scura?). These are on the bike partly to accommodate the Penske shock's reservoir placement without cutting the original side covers (also included).
• Carbon fiber tank pad (from Scura?).
• Braking Wave Rotors (STX01D).
• Rizoma bar-end mirrors.
• Ghezzi-Brian carbon fiber chin spoiler.
• Stucchi crossover.
• Magni exhaust (http://www.magni.it/v11_exhaust.htm)—sounds AMAZING.
• Black “GUZZI” valve covers.
• Carbon fiber generator cover.
• Carbon fiber rear hugger fender.(The original owner added a lot of carbon fiber, Scura-esque accents)
Spares:
• Original red valve covers, mint condition.
• Used Rosso Mandello fuel tank with original paint, in very good shape (this is functionally unobtainium).
• Original numbered Rosso Mandello side covers (very good condition).
• Original tank pad.
• Stock airbox (removed at 3,000 miles).
• Original charcoal canisters and hoses.
• Hepco & Becker racks for hard luggage.
• Stock rear wheel hugger fender.
• Original generator cover.
• Tekno semi-rigid luggage with frames.
• OEM mirrors.
• OEM crossover.
• Good-sized pile of gaskets and seals.Miscellany
• Numbered limited edition certificate that came with the bike.
• Workshop manual.
• Parts book.
• Extensive maintenance documentation.
• Moto Guzzi fashion accessories: red leather gloves and what looks like a bandana(?).
• New Pilot Road 3 tires in early 2018, probably 250 miles on them, tops.
• New battery (Odyssey PC545).
• Recently serviced and generator replaced.
• There are a couple funny/cool stickers on the bike: Michelin men with knives on the fork legs, and a classical pinup+tiger sticker on the tail. I like them and think they’re part of the story of the bike, but they could be removed if the new owner is a stickler for such things.I have certainly forgotten some other bits and bobs. As you can see in the photos, there’s a LOT of stuff with the bike. If you have questions, shoot me a message with your email or phone number and I can fill you in, as well as send maintenance records, high-res versions and/or additional photos as needed, and so on. Thank you.
Update: I have gotten a lot of questions about potential trades. I’d originally intended to sell the bike outright, but I’m also a believer in exploring interesting situations as they arise, so here are some bikes I might consider in trade. In general, these are “plus cash” options. I’m not looking for something that’s been beat on or has tons of miles.
• Light-ish, late model-ish dual-sport. One person has suggested I take his 2014 KTM 690R, and that’s mighty compelling. I might be interested in a nicely set up—or stock but nice and clean—DR650 or something similar, although the DR is a little heavier than I'd like, and I have zero interest in a KLR.
• Honda Grom or Kawasaki Z215, or—ideally—a Honda Monkey (the new one, not the ancient ones). Obviously plus quite a bit of cash. This is kind of a dumb idea, honestly, but I love these little bikes.
• Honda NC700X DCT, preferably 2017 or later. Yeah, long shot, I know.
• ‘83 or later, ideally ‘85-’86 Honda ATC250R or maybe a late Honda Odyssey or Pilot. Another long shot, and would have to be exceptionally clean.If you’ve got something you think is interesting, hit me up. Worst thing I can do is say no, maybe laugh a little.
In this video, you can hear the startup sequence and the sound of the exhaust.
Parts and such
(side racks are there too, still wrapped up)
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Your definition of easy is very different than most motorcyclists. The core: engine, suspension, etc are pretty standard stuff, parts availability isn't that abysmal, and sure, there isn't much in the way of fancy electronics, although that's not a Guzzi vs. MV distinction, it's an old times vs. modern times one. Your concern about parts availability in twenty years is applicable to the bulk of modern motorcycles.
But a cursory glance at the technical discussions here make it clear that V11s are well beyond "easy" in any normal sense of the word, and "indefinitely" is an awful long time. As an illustrative point, I search for and grab parts for my Rosso with the same urgency I use for the Buell, and Buell doesn't exist any more. -
As I said, "...if you remove concerns about time to get parts and ongoing questions about reliability."
But you guys are talking to someone who bought a Buell after Buell was gone. I'm a lost cause.
I'm also generally a very utilitarian rider, and this is why I don't own a Turismo or Brutale yet, and why my Rosso isn't my main bike. And the reality is that keeping a V11 going for 100k isn't easy, or within most motorcyclists' reality. You two are lost causes, too.MVs aren't supposed to be 100k everyday rides. But... ride one, and it'll change your life.
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V11 for sale online/ Craigslist and all others
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This "no rear brake, ever" mindset that some still espouse is confusing and nonsensical.