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Everbody has their own opinions, but to me my Griso with a two into one pipe with a right side exit muffler from RacerX looks and sounds perfect. It has a more aggressive snarl then your twin pipe setup but I like that.
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Even Guzzi now puts 2 into 1 exhausts on their bikes now. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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There are some talented engineers out there. But to assume that because an engineer designed something a certain way it is how it should be is wrong. There are so many things that were designed by engineers that were total failures that we have a series of tv shows about them. Engineers are human and humans make mistakes. So even if the engineers goals are the same as yours, that does not mean that it is right.
There are so many shortcomings in the Guzzi. But that is one of it's charms. You can actually improve the bike to be better then it was designed to be. Try doing that with your average Japanese sportbike.
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You can have everything. Either take the bike to a good power commander tuning guy, or you(or someone you know) could take both maps and combine them into one. The first choice is the better choice, but ya' gotta do what you can sometimes.
The beauty of fuel injection is that you can have it all. And a power commander will let you adjust a map to taylor it to your bike. Be sure to save a unmodified version of the map first in case you mess it up.
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http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12702
Lots of V11's(but not all) do this. Many ways to fight it. Good luck.
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The bike should run fine without one. If it does not, it likely has other issues that need correcting.
But a V11 with or without aftermarket mufflers will run better with a fuel curve that has been optimized. A Power Commander is the most common way to achieve that. Keep in mind that it only works as well as it is setup, ie. the program.
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What is the reason for that?
I am skeptical <_>
Probably the same reasons you do much more maintainence per mile traveled on any racebike then you do on a streetbike. Increased load/stress on parts and oil, and spinning motor much higher/longer are the two that come to mind first for me.
And I would agree that under street use it should last much longer. Much like the Aprilia SXV 450/550. Intended for racing, it gets a new top end something like every 30 hours. But if you ride it on the street it is not so bad(They're no Guzzi, though, that's for sure).
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Yes I attribute that to a mismatch in size between the spring and the shaft. Supposedly it will eventually break(I'm sure it will), but my wifes bike has been doing that for over 35k miles. I think how you shift may play a part in how long it takes to break. Was your bike part of the trans recall and if so they could have corrected the issue then.
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Maps aren't just a matter of richer or leaner. A map for a Quat-D exhaust may be richer then a map for a bike with Mistrals at some rpms and throttle positions and leaner in others. If you can't afford to have a map built by someone who knows what a Guzzi needs, I would suggest starting with a map that RacerX recommends or a map custom made for someone elses bike with a like setup.
From what I've heard, the Quat-D has a different fuel curve then a normal twin pipe setup.
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That's fine. Egg all you want. But to me it's not just about power, but power to weight and handling. And I am only familiar with the Aprilia and the MuZ. The Aprilia to me is a sportbike and the MuZ is a sporty bike. But to me the BMW is a sporty bike as well. While it's true they have won a couple of races here and there, they typically only win when no real sportbikes(GSXR, R1/R6) are allowed to compete. And you typically have to mod them a fair bit to be competive.
But I would love to see a 450 lb 120 hp Guzzi(not extreme numbers by sportbike standards, a built 600 can easily beat that). Hell, I'd settle for 100 rwhp.
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I'm with you guys on that. If Guzzi DID produce a street legal MGS 01(I mean really street legal, like you could finance it and insure it and it had a warrenty), I would buy one as well. Is it a sportbike, well maybe. But that would depend on the real specs, how much power and weight. I would hope for the answer to be yes, but knowing Guzzi I would not count on it. I would love to be able to buy a Guzzi that you could throw a number plate on and hit the track, but alas, Guzzi does not make bikes like that(yet). If you want to race a Guzzi you must do it the old fashioned way and build it yourself. I guess in the end that would be the difference between you and I on the subject. I think that a sportbike is a bike that you can race as it comes from the factory. But that is just a matter of opinion, and if yours is different that's ok. All that matters on this is that Guzzi is the right bike for the right rider. Viva Le Guzzi and all that crap.
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Rocker59,
I think we just have a different idea of what a sportbike is. To me a Guzzi is a sporty bike, not a sportbike. A sportbike to me is something like an R-1 or R-6. To me a Ducati SportClassic is a retro bike. And while a Griso or Breva is not retro like that, I would have no trouble keeping up with a Ducati SportClassic on my Griso. For that matter, my Griso is just as quick as my wifes V11.
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Sorry, but to me those are GT bikes. By those standards a B11 sport is a sportbike. Which is fine, but to me they aren't sportbikes.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Guzzis. My favorite brand of bike. But a sportbike to me is a faster, more hard core bike then what Guzzi makes(like a GSXR or R-1).
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If only Guzzi sold a bike like that.
And even that was only a sportbike compared to other twins. Hence the battle of the twins monicker.
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Sorry, not trying to piss you off. But Guzzi hasn't been a force in racing since the 50's. And the fast racebikes they used to build their rep were mostly factory specials that they did not sell to the public. The bikes they do sell have been much the same since 1970, The most sporting models have been at best GT bikes in my opinion.
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I've now accepted the fact there is unlikely to ever be another Guzzi sports bike- I don't think even the new 8V motor will lend itself to a supersports bike, unless maybe they could get the weight down to about 170kgs fuelled up and make something simliar to a Buell XB12R.
If you want fast and light, buy a non-Guzzi.
Another? What were the ones to begin with. I think Guzzi has made the same kinds of bikes it always has. It's everybody else that has changed.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Guzzi make a street version of the MGS 01. It would make a nice update to the Daytona line. But supersport bike it's not. I would be happy with a 4v Griso 1200 with a lighter rear suspension setup. I think the Griso chassis is just as good as the MGS 01, it just needs a lighter swing arm setup.
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That's cool.
Make it road legal and I'd buy one.
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I've always said the bike only goes as fast as the rider tells it to. But modern MotoGP bikes are easier to tell to go fast then they used to be, thanks to modern electronics. But that is the way it is. And the reality of it is the rules are the same for everybody.
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Why put Metzeler Z6 or Pirelli Diablo Strada on a sporty bike like the V11LeMans? OK, I agree that they last longer and are also very good on rain, but Metzeler M3 Sportec are softer, safer and give you more angle to bent. A sport touring pair of tires for a sport touring bike. Personally I find them excellent also on wet roads. And if you are thinking of track days....these are excellent too. A great balance between sporty mood, safety (wet roads) and longevity.
To each their own, but my wife and I ride plenty hard. Even the occasional parking lot race or other sporting event. But the Z6's on mine and the Strada's on my wifes have never flinched. If you race or do trackdays they aren't for you. But if you don't do either of those things then sportier tyres are overkill.
And while a V11 is a sporty bike, it is by no means a sportsbike. I would call it a GT bike, and sport touring tyres do nicely on a GT bike for me.
Conti's are not bad tyres but I do prefer Maxxis myself. They seem to last longer with the same grip.
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well aprilia is busy with this one, 210 hp superbike. SO when you get this on the road, you have desmosedici power. The same story is on the anima guzzista website in the editorial.
Just take this motor out, turn it 90 degrees sideways and stick it in a Guzzi chassis. What's the problem?
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Yea they said that about Stoner and they were right. He writes talent checks he can't cash. But Senna did that as well and he's legendary. Thank god for electronics. It's part of the game.
As far as riding a modern MotoGP bike, all the journalists that get to ride one get off commenting about how easy they are to ride. I don't think most of us could ride one as fast as Stoner, but I'm pretty sure I could ride one around a track at a respectable pace.
Biaggi, yea, that's right. How many 500cc GP championships did he win?
I do think it was harder back then, but I do agree that that was then and this is now. It's a different skill set required and the rider and bike that offer the best package will win. Right now that is Stoner. MotoGP bikes corner faster and accelerate slower then they used to. Just going from 990 to 800 cc did that. It takes a different skill set to ride a MotoGP bike today then it did just 2 or 3 years ago. But I'll still be at Indy to watch. Can't wait.
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I can live with some of what you said, but a 500cc two stroke would have ended Stoners career if he rode one for ant length of time. And MotoGP HAS been dumbed down. In the days of 500cc two strokes you could not just hop on one from a 250 and run at the front(not for long atleast). But that's progress for you. While I see how much things have changed, I am not one who sits on the porch saying "in my day". Stoner is not the best rider out there but he is the right rider on the right bike and tyres. That is all he needs to be. That does not diminish what he has done or what he will do. There have been other great racers who were the same. He's not the first and he won't be the last.
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Many people will replace the rear tyre and run an old front with a new rear. Me, I won't due that 'cause if one tyre's gonna be better then the other I want the front to have the grip.
I would rather buy a set of affordable tyres then run a new rear with a old(and probably mismatched) front.
As far as choices, I have Z6' on my Griso. Great tyres grip wise, but noisy. My wifes V11 has Pirelli's, Diablo Stradas I believe. Nice tyres but dont seem to last as long as the Metzlers. I am a big fan of Michelin but they can be pricey. Also had good experience with Maxxis, great tyre for the price.Easily my fav budget tyre.
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The best shot from Daytona's gotta be the Kawasaki planted in the mud (rear tyre buried) sticking straight up.
As far as Stoner and the speed of the Ducati, he was 5 mph faster then Rossi down the front straight when he opened the throttle all the way. I know he can ride, but that's a huge advantage at that level. As has been stated before, it's not just a question of who's the best rider. At that level it's about the best combination of rider and bike(and tyres ). More power to Stoner, if I had 5 mph on the rest(some he had 10 mph on) I would have done the same thing too. Just wait for my tyres to warm up, then when I'm good and ready just drop the hammer and go.
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A cat does act as a muffler to some extent. So does a two into one collector. But the cat for my Griso is inside the stock muffler which is sitting in my shed. Some bikes have the cat in the collector, which means you must replace the collector to remove the cat, but I see little reward for doing so on a streetbike. To each there own. Cats are coming. Soon they will be on all bikes. Either keep fighting it or get used to it. Take your pick. Time marches on. I just prefer the sound of a twin with a two into one exhaust. It has a small block chevy, pissed off kind of sound. Buells also have a great sound,much better then the sportsters with their dual exhausts. Aprilia RSV's also sound great.
And the look of my Griso with the single sided swing arm and the pipe on the right side so that the left side is open and the wheel is just floating there, I love it.