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5 hours ago, Chris Wilson said:
Isn't that what Guzzi did with the 1100 sport?
What is to stop them from adding a CARC and a reaction rod in a different model?
The front swing arm casting looks to have enough vertical section to handle movement so it's just a matter of swapping out the rear.
Chris.
Errr? No.
1100 Sport and then the V11's use a solid swingarm but the bevelbox itself is free to move on the rear wheel spindle.
The CARC bikes use a reactive bridge within a solid casing that moves in relation to swingarm on what are effectively the wheel bearings within the case that support the crownwheel and pinion.
With this new swingarm it just seems to be a rigid arm with a bevelbox bolted to the end but there is no tether rod to transfer the torsional forces to the frame of the vehicle meaning that as the pinion tries to climb the crownwheel it will exert an upward force on the arm. That makes the suspension unable to remain compliant and prevents it doing its job.
Likewise on downchanges the tendency will be to compress the suspension and unload the rear tyre leading to tyre hop and loss of traction.
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Bloody difficult to add a bolt-on reactive drive Chris......
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My guess would be shim and bucket as that is the usual Piaggio MO.
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VA 10 was 80* I think. While I think this new engine owes little to the VA 10 I could be wrong.
Apparently the VA 10 vibrated so badly they could barely keep it on the test bench. That would never fly, not then, not in 2021.
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Not seeing any Centy in it.
seeing some closer pics there are some nice things from a technological standpoint but it's still butt-ugly.
Hopefully they'll do what they did with the CARC bikes and launch the next model that looks prettier in a year or two.
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More pictures released.
can't be bothered trying to copy them.
https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=112212.0
I can't believe they've managed to make something so hideous! The V85 was bad enough. This thing looks like??? I dunno? A grab-bag of every styling disaster from most manufacturers in the last 30 years!
What was that awful thing Ducati made? The TL 650? It looks like one of those that's been stuck in a pencil sharpener and sprayed with silage!
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I guess I'm luckier than you.....
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On the injectors used on V11's and CARC bikes the o-rings are a standard Bosch injector seal. I just buy them from my local *Better* auto parts joint in Canberra. Just take the injector in and brandish it at the parts interpreter. If they gurn vacantly at you and ask "What's it out of!" Try to resist the temptation to bury your index finger down to the third knuckle in their eye socket, thank them, leave, and go and find a real parts shop where they pay decent enough wages that the staff don't spend half of them on clearasil and wet-wipes.
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Your Guzzi has a Differential? Why? Is it a trike?
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While I won't be buying one there is a lot to like about the new RE range. I'm a big fan of SOHC motors, especially for road bikes, and I keep hearing good things about the twins although I haven't ridden one. If they put that delightfully simple engine in a more modern chassis I'd really be sitting up and taking notice.
As it is, despite my lack of desire to purchase another motorbike I'm severely tempted to purchase a Himalayan to do a lap of Australia on. I'm hearing nothing but good about them from people who don't want to go fast and if I'm doing a lap or figure of 8 around Oz it won't be fast. The price is very hard to go past, they appear reliable, parts are cheap. What's not to like.
Like Phil I have much faster and more capable bikes for eating miles or acting the goat on. Something that will plod along at the legal limit and won't have a cow if pointed at some dirt highway while being able to carry one fat bloke and the stuff he needs sounds just about ideal.
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Yes.
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If you are seriously interested in a 'Special' Daytona I have a friend in the US with a Daytona RS. Like all US RS's it's an 'A' kit bike but in all honesty they are a much happier thing than the 'C' kitted bikes. You also get a variety of improvements with the RS package, broad sump, better pork chops. Anyway I'm pretty sure he'd be willing to sell it to the right parson at the right price. He only ended up with it because it's previous owner sold it to an Australian who only after he'd bought it found he couldn't import it here. So it was bought as a 'Mercy buy'.
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Until I see more and better pics I'm not ruling anything in or out.
Really need to see some exploded parts diagrams to see what's going on.
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Riley also used a Hi-Cam design. It's actually a good, if limited, design.
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Yeah, we're locked down solid too. Trez boring.
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Get rooted!
Actually if you wanted me to make a list of the things that shit me about the 8V we could start with the shitty plastic oil pump gear and move on from there. How about a crank with no sludge trap that they sold as being '30% stronger'? My fat, pimply arse! It was just a way of saving a machining operation. I could rail on for hours but there's no point. It's still a magnificent engine, way better than the 'Old' Hi-Cam but it's not without faults and some of the penny pinching shits me to tears!
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Look, Phil, I agree, it offends me as well, but it's the way it is. Us going puce with disgust and rage over it won't change the minds of the scroll beetles at Piaggio.
one of the things that shat me off big time with the 8V big block was that they used a pressed in bearing for the front main. If you bugger your front main you're supposed to get a new crankcase!
Luckily though the actual case casting retains all the mounting bosses etc. for a replaceable bearing and the depth of the front main and journal/bearing dimensions haven't changed from earlier engines so although it will require a bit of buggering about I'm pretty sure an earlier, replaceable, front main could be fitted. Both case and bearing housing will need machining, (You need to have a gallery in the outer edge of the bearing housing to allow the oil for the under piston sprays to circumvent the bearing housing.) but as long as you get the measurements correct it's entirely doable.
It's the reason I still have my original crankcase still. Once I'm retired I'll actually get around to doing it. My bike might even end up with its original engine number back!😆😎
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Lots of Piaggio products use a pressed up crank Phil. My Mana has the same set up. I really never give it a moments thought.
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How many people wear out a motorbike nowadays?
While I too am not fond of the throw away concept the fact is that as long as the components are essentially recyclable it makes a lot of sense.
Having just given my Griso a 140,000 km freshen up I see nothing that can't be repaired. Whether it will be possible due to parts availability in 20 years time is another matter but that won't matter to me......
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I've had two doses of AZ, no side effects apart from the penis falling off thing but I managed to stick it back on with gaffer tape and blu-tac. It doesn't get much use nowadays anyway.
Annoying side effects of the magnetism, I ended up dangling off the diff housing of a Land Cruiser on a hoist by my head at work and they had to pry me off with a crowbar......
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5 hours ago, biesel said:
I have just found this from 2011:
https://www.rideapart.com/news/257347/miguel-galluzzi-on-the-new-moto-guzzi/
"We are also working on a new engine that will be lighter and smaller. The new Guzzi product range is going to be simpler. We are going to have the small displacement (750cc) as we always have, we are going to have something in the middle that is going to be 1,200 or 1,300 and we are going to have the big block. From these three lines of engines, we are going to work to develop new models. The middle is going to be a big middle. Guzzi is about big torque engines, there is not going to be a small displacement, nothing like that."
What happened? It took 10 (!) years.
What happened is the world changed and business realised it had to change with it.
It's not 2011 any more, any more than its 1981, no matter how much some old men with their heads in the sand want it to be!
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Basically it can fall until it's below the level of the pick-up.
Oil has three functions, to clean, to cool and to lubricate. As long as there is a supply it can do all three but the lower the volume the hotter it will run so the less well it will cool. The amount of contaminants in it will proportionally increase as the volume diminishes so it's like trying to wash yourself in dirty bath water. It will keep lubricating though to the bitter end. It's only when flow to the bearings is interrupted that chaos and destruction ensue!
Of course the lower the level the greater the chance on a V11 of the pick-up being exposed under acceleration and if that happens? It's all over Red Rover! In a matter of seconds!
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Why? Why "Shite to that"?
What upsets you so much about alternative technologies?
Is the Griso 8V the ultimate Guzzi big block ?
in Newer models
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Bellagio is probably the best 2 valve engine built but the 8V is without a doubt superior in every way apart from fuel economy and perhaps smoothness. Having said that the 1400 motors are ridiculously smooth!
While it has been done putting the 8V into the quasi Tonti frame of the Bellagio would be a foolish move. In the same way that some people insist on bolting an old five speed onto the 8V and sticking it in a Tonti frame the simple fact is the frame isn't designed to handle the output of the motor. A decent Bellagio makes about 70RWHP, a V11 makes about 76. An 8V 1200, even with the stock factory mapping which is far too rich at the top end, makes 96 and with a decent map will make 'About 100' with a big boost in torque all the way through the rev range.
Once rollerised all the 1200's are effectively the same motor and despite their differences in intake and exhaust designs can all be made to make the same figures or close to. Whether one prefers the Griso, Sport, Norge or Stelvio they are all much of a muchness in terms of performance.
In my opinion the 1200 8V was the pinnacle of the engine's development. What machine it's in isn't really an issue. Others will probably choose to differ. I'm not going to argue.
Oh, and Chris? Next time you're up take the Green Horror out for a flog. Gearing it down, even a tiny bit, has improved it even more IMO. Even with my gargantuan carcass on it I keep lofting the front wheel unintentionally pulling away from the lights! Not bad for something with the wheelbase of a supertanker with what resembles a hippopotamus riding it!