Black fairing paint code

BobLeMans · August 13, 2023

I had a slow speed off and my father in law (ex bodyshop owner) is visiting and helping me fill and paint but we can't find a paint code for gloss black fairing 2003 V11 LeMans anywhere. Hoping someone on here can help with a paint code or a link.

Thank you

Bob

Lucky Phil · August 14, 2023

Sorry I don't have a code for you but I wonder why people actually need a code for a basic colour. It looks like a non metallic black is that right? I'm no expert in colour matching and I guess for a complicated colour like the v11 green with metallic components and multiple base layers it's going to be a whole lot easier as a starting point but even then you cant just mix a colour to "code" and use it to do a repair. It will still need to be "colour matched" because of fade and the discrepancy between a bulk mixed colour at production level and a tiny amount of paint mixed at those quantities. The error factor is much greater at the tiny mix quantities from a paint shop compared to the hundreds of litres mixed in a batch at the factory.

So essentially even with a code you still need to do the colour matching anyway and with a basic colour a paint specialist can colour match without any codes. Here is the paint on my bikes frame parts colour matched to original 20 year old frame paint. It was done by a guy at the local paint supplier for me and I applied the paint,2K. I thought he had a special Spectro analyser to do this but no, he grabbed a 250ml can of base stock and mixed it by eye and it's perfect. I'm as pedantic as hell and it's perfect. No codes or anything like that just experience and talent for such things. Compare the pork chop and front frame member to the original lower frame support. The only difference is the level of gloss on my sprayed part.

BobLeMans · August 14, 2023

5 hours ago, Lucky Phil said:

Sorry I don't have a code for you but I wonder why people actually need a code for a basic colour. It looks like a non metallic black is that right? I'm no expert in colour matching and I guess for a complicated colour like the v11 green with metallic components and multiple base layers it's going to be a whole lot easier as a starting point but even then you cant just mix a colour to "code" and use it to do a repair. It will still need to be "colour matched" because of fade and the discrepancy between a bulk mixed colour at production level and a tiny amount of paint mixed at those quantities. The error factor is much greater at the tiny mix quantities from a paint shop compared to the hundreds of litres mixed in a batch at the factory.

So essentially even with a code you still need to do the colour matching anyway and with a basic colour a paint specialist can colour match without any codes. Here is the paint on my bikes frame parts colour matched to original 20 year old frame paint. It was done by a guy at the local paint supplier for me and I applied the paint,2K. I thought he had a special Spectro analyser to do this but no, he grabbed a 250ml can of base stock and mixed it by eye and it's perfect. I'm as pedantic as hell and it's perfect. No codes or anything like that just experience and talent for such things. Compare the pork chop and front frame member to the original lower frame support. The only difference is the level of gloss on my sprayed part.

Hi Lucky Phil

Thanks for the reply. Mixing by eye would be possible if I could get the bike to the paint shop but can’t due to ankle injury (I used my ankle to protect the rear paintwork from tarmac last weekend 😀). Our local paint shop can supply paint by code though and my father in law is only visiting until Tuesday. It’s a great opportunity to learn how to do it myself from a pro with 60+ years experience!

cowtownchemist · August 14, 2023

I made some touch ups to my gloss black fairing for a 2000 V11. I just used one of the Duplicolor "Universal Gloss Black" units from the car parts store. After a little light sanding and the clear coat, it looks pretty good to me.

80CX100 · August 14, 2023

8 hours ago, BobLeMans said:

Hi Lucky Phil

Thanks for the reply. Mixing by eye would be possible if I could get the bike to the paint shop but can’t due to ankle injury (I used my ankle to protect the rear paintwork from tarmac last weekend 😀). Our local paint shop can supply paint by code though and my father in law is only visiting until Tuesday. It’s a great opportunity to learn how to do it myself from a pro with 60+ years experience!

Hey Bob; I don't have the specific paint codes for the black V11 Lemans, but I've snagged this paint code info for various Guzzis posted by Mike Haven of MPH back in the day.

Some of them are black and are likely a match;which ones idk.

I know the black on my California Vintage "looks like a real black"

The black on my V11 Lemans in certain light conditions; "looks more like a greyish black" the black on the fairing "looks blacker" than the black on the rest of the body work,tank,side covers etc,fwiw.

What the black Brevas,Sports,Norges etc look like irl,could they be a match idk.

I've also included a variety of links on the bottom. Some of them,apparently have online databases of paint codes listed for some guzzi models.

You might want to rip through their info in case your bike is listed.

Fwiw, Good Luck

Paint codes are a national secret. You wont be getting any calls back. I secured this list a few years ago after much badgering. its incomplete, but all there is
COLOR CODES:
NORGE 1200
BLACK - BASF GE22-9659
RED - 5.4D.23441 AKZO NOBEL <<pic29436.jpg>> <<pic21654.jpg>>
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1200 SPORT
BLACK - 5.4M.22705 AKZO NOBEL
RED - 5.4D.23441 AKZO NOBEL

BREVA 1100
BLACK - 5.4M.22705 AKZO NOBEL
GRAY - 928XV374 PALINAL
RED - 5.4D.23441 AKZO NOBEL
ORANGE - DS.08046 LECHLER
WHITE - BIANCO DIAMANTE: SCHOCH: 610.PM02 ASCO-BASECOAT PERLATO
BIANCO

BREVA 850 2007
GRIGIO EXCALIBUR (Grey excalibur) : SCHOCH 675 ALP11-1/3675-003560
GRISO 1100
BLACK - 5.4M.22705 AKZO NOBEL
RED - 5.4D.23441 AKZO NOBEL
LGHT BLUE - DS02096 LECHLER
YELLOW - DS02138 LECHLER
ORANGE - ARANCIO SATINATO :SCHOCH 3610-010805 PALINAL 923MAT3
NEVADA I.E.
GRAY - GRIGIO LUCE - DS02074 LECHLER (+ 928XV051 PALINI for fuel tank
stripe)
BLACK - NERO GUZZI - 5,4M.22705 AKZO NOBEL (+ 928XH913 PALINI for
fuel tank stripe)
RED - ROSSO DEL LARIO - 66051 LECHLER (+ 5.4M.22705 AKZO NOBEL for
fuel tank stripe)
RED 06 - ROSSO LDS08040 LECHLER
BLACK 06 - NERO GUZZI 929R486 PALINAL or 54M22705 AKZO NOBEL
YELLOW 06 - GIALLO 08048 LECHLER
WITHE-BLUE 06 - BIANCO MICA DS08042 LECHLER - BLUE MIDNIGHT: DS08039
LECHLER
BREVA 750
BLACK - NERO OLLARE - 928 XH 913 PALINI or 57E80806 AKZO NOBEL
GRAY - GRIGIO PIOMBO: AKZO 57E 85804 or PALINI 928 XH 644 + TRASP.
LUCIDO 923 HS 90
ROSSO BREVA (2001) - Palini 928 XH 900 + TRASP. LUCIDO 923 HS 90
RED RACE- ROSSO GUZZI - 5.4D-23441 AKZO NOBEL
BLACK 06/07 - NERO GUZZI - 54M22705 AKZO NOBEL
LIGHT BLUE 06 - AZZURRO- DS02096 LECHLER
WHITE 06 - BINACO MICA - DS08042 LECHLER
CALIFORNIA 06
RED - ROSSO - LECHLER LDS08040
BLACK - NERO PALINAL 929R486 or ARDESIA AKZO NOBEL 54 M 22.710
WHITE/GRAY - BIANCO LECHLER LDS08040 / GRIGIO LECHLER LDS08043
VINTAGE - NERO PALINAL 929R486 or ARDESIA AKZO NOBEL 54 M 22.710
CALIFORNIA 07
RED - ROSSO - LECHLER LECHLER LS 66013
NERO PALINAL 929R486 O ARDESIA AKZO NOBEL 54 M 22.710
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