Bar risers for V11 Sport (Ballabio)

[BallabioJoj]

Dear all, after 20 years am still owning and riding a 2004 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport Ballabio. All running great. Just wondering if the cables and brake hydraulic pipes etc would be long enough to install some 20 mm 'risers' between the bars and triple clamp?

Was considering these, even if they are a bit pricey compared to some standard stock models:

 https://voigt-mt.de/Lenkererhoehung-Riser-20mm-fuer-Lenker-mit-O-28mm-mit-ABE

thanks for any help/advice! Cheers, Jonathan

[motortouring]

They have a bit for compensating the distance for the brake line.

https://voigt-mt.de/3-cm-Verlaengerung-fuer-Bremsleitung-oder-Kupplungsleitung-universal

But for a little more you have a new brake line. Also nice after 20 years :-)

[Joe]

After installing MPH risers on my 01 Rosso Mandello, I was able to buy a hydraulic clutch line for a 1997 MG Centauro, which is longer than my original stock line, It works great.

[audiomick]

10 hours ago, BallabioJoj said:

...Was considering these, ...

voigt-mt.de/Lenkererhoehung-Riser...fuer-Lenker-mit-O-28mm...

 

I'm just wondering, why do you want clamps for a 28mm handlebar? Do you have a particular handlebar in mind? As far as I know, most handlebars are 22mm, not 28mm.

 

And my personal opinion, this claim from the text sounds like bullshit to me:

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Durch die höhere Lenkerposition ...(wird)... ein direkteres Fahrgefühl erreicht.

For the other inmates here: that claims that the higher handlebar provides a more direct "steering feel".

In my experience, the further away from the upper triple-clamp (obere Gabelbrücke) the handlebar is, the more indirect the steering feels.

Edited Wednesday at 11:16 PM by audiomick

[motortouring]

12 hours ago, audiomick said:

....

And my personal opinion, this claim from the text sounds like bullshit to me:

For the other inmates here: that claims that the higher handlebar provides a more direct "steering feel".

In my experience, the further away from the upper triple-clamp (obere Gabelbrücke) the handlebar is, the more indirect the steering feels.

The height of the handlebars is somewhat subjective. I have a V11 with handlebars and one with clipons. And a friend has the greenie with Magni fairing with clipons further down. In slow sharp corners and tight 3/4 roundabouts the higher handlebars are giving a feeling of control. When leaning heavily on the clipons it limits a bit the light and accurate counter steering.

But as said: subjective

And depends on the type of corners. On a twisty road my V11 with original clipons is good.

For faster riding and longer turns the greenie with Magni is a joy to ride.

Edited yesterday at 11:34 AM by motortouring

[GuzziMoto]

13 hours ago, audiomick said:

I'm just wondering, why do you want clamps for a 28mm handlebar? Do you have a particular handlebar in mind? As far as I know, most handlebars are 22mm, not 28mm.

 

And my personal opinion, this claim from the text sounds like bullshit to me:

For the other inmates here: that claims that the higher handlebar provides a more direct "steering feel".

In my experience, the further away from the upper triple-clamp (obere Gabelbrücke) the handlebar is, the more indirect the steering feels.

I am pretty sure that some bars are the larger diameter. For example, the stock handlebars for a Ballabio are the larger size.. I fact, you can buy the Ballabio bar risers and handlebars and install them on a V11 Sport that came with clipons from the factory. On the wifes V11 Sport that is what we did. The stock top triple clamp even had the boss in the casting for where you would drill the hole for the handlebar clamps. I just drilled the holes for the clamps, and installed.

There are lots of options for the larger size bars out there. Most of them (if not all of them) are larger in diameter where they attach to the triple clamp but neck down where the grips and brake / clutch lever attach.

I do agree that the higher the handlebars the less direct the steering feels. But another large factor in that is width of the handlebars. Usually clip-ons are narrower, and offer less leverage. Side note, as I recall the Ballabio uses rubber inserts where the handlebar clamps mount to the triple clamps. You can do the same when fitting handlebar clamps to a bike that did not originally come that way, or you can solid mount the handlebar clamps to the top triple clamp. That will increase vibration in the handlebars but improve steering feel.

Edited yesterday at 12:53 PM by GuzziMoto

[motortouring]

In tight corners I like to push the bike a bit down and sit more straight up. In longer corners I have more stabillity when leaning more into the corner have the bike a bit more straight. The clipons support the last and the handlebars support the earlier better for me. 

[audiomick]

4 hours ago, motortouring said:

In tight corners I like to push the bike a bit down and sit more straight up...

Yeah, I've noticed I tend to do that too, and am trying to train myself out of it.

As far as the long corners go, I'm right with you. Feels great when you get it right.