Guest M0t0 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 I dunno Martin, it was kinda lively, & I miss ol Capn Nemo. I think Dumb Ape had it pretty well covered - this is a multi franchise dealer, they have no history with MG - so they just wait in line. Don't think Mr MOtO sees the difference between a Guzzi & a Honda - hey! they're motorcycles aren't they? KB 41034[/snapback] Firstly, thanks to Martin for your understanding and confidence in us as a dealer. We will, indeed, do our best for you. So far as waiting in line goes, we have no choice, there is nothing else that we can do. It's almost impossible to actually speak to anyone from Moto Guzzi these days, aside from anything else. We don't do Honda, but thanks for the thought. We do appreciate the differences between a Guzzi and mainstream motorcycles, since we are also dealers for other niche brands such as MV and Benelli. To be frank, we do an awful lot of warranty work on Moto Guzzis, since many other dealers in the country are getting rid of their franchises or simply refusing to do the warranty work on bikes that they haven't sold themselves. So perhaps, denouncing us as being somewhat lacking since we are a multi-franchise, is a little unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldini Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 ...perhaps, denouncing us as being somewhat lacking since we are a multi-franchise, is a little unfair... MOtO, Wasn't meaning to denounce you, but a multi-franchise dealership won't focus on Guzzi like the handful of shops that have specialised in Guzzi for years, know them inside out, own, ride & modify them. I bought my V11 from a large multi-franchise & I have found that they could not source spare parts, whereas the specialist shops could, often because they know Guzzi so well, have anticipated a problem & got parts in. I have heard numerous stories of Guzzis sitting in dealers for long periods of time awaiting parts to fix some simple failure. Meanwhile I have had same failure, but have had problem sorted very quickly by recourse to the specialist shops. (eg. 6 speed gbox pawl arm return spring....?). Guzzis have always required more owner input than most. For the first few thousand miles you have to fix the bits that the factory forgot to do - like having an almost assembled Airfix kit with some of the bits out of the wrong box - but if you can get thru that w/o major failure, Guzzis are designed to go for ever. They only start to smooth out about 10,000 miles by which time most other brands will have been traded in by their owners for the latest model. Guzzis require a different attitude, & they don't suit everyone. More than most other makes, they require your committment, a shift in your expectations & habits to get the best out of them. But if you make that commitment they are hugely rewarding, & stay with you for a long time. Bikes do break, sometimes badly. Guzzi QC seems pretty hit or miss, some parts aren't up to much on the bikes as supplied. I can understand that relying on the official importers for parts & fixes whilst having to placate disenchanted punters must be a pain. I agree, Aprilia UK & Guzzi should get their heads out of their arses.... As for MV & Benelli - How many miles have you seen on one of them, it's not the same thing at all. But for coming on this forum. for sticking with Guzzi, esp taking in warranty work on bikes supplied by others. Why does your shop stick with Guzzi - it's gotta be hard work...? KB A Guzzi's for life not just for Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M0t0 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 As for MV & Benelli - How many miles have you seen on one of them, it's not the same thing at all. A Guzzi's for life not just for Christmas! KB 41066[/snapback] As it happens, the majority of the Guzzis we see are very low mileage. From our perspective, they are similar customers with similar issues. And we have a healthy stock of gearbox springs and are well aware of the pawl diameter issue, amongst others. Our main problem is, that a lot of Guzzi customers don't understand the teething troubles thing. They expect it to run perfectly out of the box and are seriously pissed off when things go wrong. You try explaining that to a customer who has just spent out on a new bike... "oh, they all do that sir..." Moto Guzzi need to understand that their new customers are not the Guzzi customers of old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M0t0 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 But for coming on this forum. for sticking with Guzzi, esp taking in warranty work on bikes supplied by others. Why does your shop stick with Guzzi - it's gotta be hard work...? 41066[/snapback] Cheers. Why? Because we see the potential for the future. With new models like the Griso and the MGS-01. We have lots of customers who would chew their arms off to get hold of them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldini Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 ...the MGS-01. We have lots of customers who would chew their arms off to get hold of them...... Would they still want the MGS-01 if it had the 2 valve (V11/"90"hp) motor? KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX REDNECK (R.I.P.) Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Would they still want the MGS-01 if it had the 2 valve (V11/"90"hp) motor? KB 41113[/snapback] This is from Zeb . Till now, no information about a release with 2v engine About the guzzi engine, Giuseppe Ghezzi tell that it is impossible to produce a real race bike with the engine conception & the cardan transmission ... _________________ IMO The only reason they produced this bike was to generate interest in Guzzi before it went on the auction block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callison Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 There was some mention a year ago or so of a two valve MGS, but it was to be called the MGS02. Makes sense. At least as much sense as we ever get from MG these days. As for Ghezzi, he's very likely correct. When the first announcements for the water cooled engine were made (how long ago that was!!!), there was mention of a chain drive version in addition to a cassette style transmission etc, etc. Then the new Boss of MG at the time decided the futures were in scooters and blew all of those notions out of the window. Somewhere on the Anima Guzzista site, you can find an interview with the designer of the VA10 engine that may give a better insight into this stuff. Actually, since that particular engine still exists and is probably still viable, MG/Piaggio may exert a little practical intelligence and buy back into it. Who knows? With the new owners anything is possible, although I rather suspect we'll see less, not more Moto Guzzi production. If Ducati had pulled it off, that might have been a very different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M0t0 Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Would they still want the MGS-01 if it had the 2 valve (V11/"90"hp) motor? KB 41113[/snapback] I very much doubt it. All show and no go. I think that would be a sad way for Guzzi to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helicopterjim R.I.P. Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Well if you guys like rumours, I recieved an email from a friend in Switzerland who has a friend who is an engineer at Aprilia. The latest is the Cube will run MotoGP this year but Piaggio is considering a whole new MotoGP bike and the most popular idea is a V8. Shades of 1957? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve G. Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 There is a strong rumour that Honda is also dropping the V5 for a V8 in GP. Ciao, Steve G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M0t0 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 There is a strong rumour that Honda is also dropping the V5 for a V8 in GP. Ciao, Steve G. 41164[/snapback] Dunno about that. My sources tell me Honda are looking to run a big bang motor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybill Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 It sure is like night and day how some people's attitudes and online comments change from a non specific bike forum to when they post on a Guzzi forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Graham in NZ Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Rear suspension unit mounting failure Hmmm. Let's not be too hasty rubbishing this one. In areas where road salting is common there could be a problem. A while back I didn't like the look of my bike's swinging arm cross member which acts as the lower attachment for the suspension unit. The cross member was starting to rust because it is not protected by the hugger but lives inside it where it is bombarded with grit and water from the rear tyre. Not a clever bit of design. I cleaned the cross member, painted it and then covered it with split neoprene tube held on with cable ties. Actually the entire hugger is a design joke because it lacks a front! I made a front from 3mm neoprene sheet to prevent crud and water being thrown forward over the swinging arm pivot cross member and rear of the gearbox. Very successful. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldini Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 ...All show and no go. I think that would be a sad way for Guzzi to go... How many need or use more than 90HP in a roadbike ? Seems to me most times 150HP works best parked up outside the pub... KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M0t0 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 It sure is like night and day how some people's attitudes and online comments change from a non specific bike forum to when they post on a Guzzi forum 41188[/snapback] Whereas others just love to stir up trouble, no matter what forum they post on. It's your perception that has changed Bill, not my attitude. I've lost count of the times i've pointed out to you that I am no Guzzi hater, I simply state the experiences that I have. It was you that suggested that I post on this forum (or rather, you whined that I "refused" to post on here). Now I am here and all you can do is snipe at me. I'm sure the folks on here would rather you didn't, as do I. Can we drop it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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