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    '01 Rosso Mandello, '18 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '05 XT225
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  1. I would like to like and LOL at this post, but since I can only do one, I'm forced to do this:
  2. We're getting pretty pedantic at this point, but yes, of course, rare doesn't equal desirable—although it is often an inarguable contributor to desirability. No one has said it does. The comments here and on other forums—not to mention at this year's Quail—both on this bike I'm selling and on the "rarer" V11s in general have more than established desirability, so man-to-mansplaining about rarity vs. value is kinda moot, eh? But this isn't about rarity compared to other bikes anyway, it's about rarity (and yes, desirability) compared to other V11s. I can probably fire up my truck and pick up three to five standard V11s in the next week or so if I roam a bit; finding a single Rosso, Coppa, Scura—all rarer and desirable—will be unlikely to impossible. Some greenie owners may want to believe that their bikes are the quintessential V11, but what you say about "propaganda" and magazines is simply untrue. The "special models" got tons of ink, and I have several brochures in my office that prove the exact opposite of the green bikes being the sole focus of Guzzi's marketing materials. I shopped for these bikes new, back in the day. You can check out eBay for a glimpse of the array of marketing assets employed by Guzzi, then Aprilia. If you understand motorcycle marketing (I'm an "industry guy" and a marketing consultant) you know the very existence of the Rosso Mandello, Scura, Coppa Italia, etc, is the same blueprint that Ducati and MV Agusta use with their special models. It's solely about creating desirability, and usually successful—at least for the Italians, though in recent years, Triumph has had some success this too. Anyway, I expected this sort of "feedback," and this conversation has been had many times before, and apparently will keep on being a standard fixture of motorcycle forums. I think I've said more than enough at this point. Cheers.
  3. Oh yeah. My 2016 GS went to a guy from Arizona who came up and trailered it back. A few years ago, I sold a '94 E320 Cabriolet on eBay, to a guy from Chicago, who flew out, paid, and drove it to his vacation home in... AZ? Maybe New Mexico? He wanted a clean one for his "relaxation car" or something like that. I'm definitely noodling on the idea of putting it on eBay to cast a wider net. Also considering BringATrailer.com.
  4. I've followed V11 pricing since they were new. Greenies, silveries, etc are not Rossos or Scuras or Coppas, etc. If you're basing your POV on standard model pricing, then yeah, I'm way out of line. Yes, I know the standard line about all V11s being "special models," but that's not functionally true. (Sorry if that hurts someone's feelings.) Your point about mileage is interesting. I thought about bikes that way in the eighties, but haven't thought of 25K as "high miles" on a motorcycle in a long, long time. It's not like the engine is going to blow at 30k, and if the overall condition is very good and the bike is well-maintained, how does a—to my mind, relatively low—mileage number factor into your pricing calculations? As noted in the ad—and alluded to above—I decided to sell the bike because I can't ride it (very far) due to extensive surgeries in my right leg last summer after being hit by a car. I don't need the cash, and don't have a timeline. But I'm a rider, not a collector, and I hate to have it just sitting in the garage. The fact that you sold your Scura for $7,400 two years ago with less stuff would seem to support my price. For comparison, I've sold several very specifically set up Beemers in recent years, at premium prices—but still a bargain for the amount of stuff included. In every case, it was like this: zero activity other than occasional "feedback" on the pricing, and then the right buyer would pop up and immediately snatch up the bike. In one case, three buyers popped up within 12 hours of each other and I wished I'd asked more. I've bought and sold a lot of bikes and cars and guitars and other comparable stuff too. I want to be clear that I'm not approaching this with the Craigslist H-D mentality: "$25k invested!" If I was looking for (or came across) a rare-ish bike for which bodywork was tough to come by, the presence of an additional tank and other stuff would be a big selling point, although some of it (luggage racks, etc) are clearly just nice-to-haves. If someone says to me, "Hey man, I really want that bike, but I don't care about the luggage and the extra tank, but I definitely want the original side covers," I wouldn't point to the price with my middle finger. I'd see if we could work something out, and sell the tank here or on eBay or whatever. I seem to be accumulating a list of people who want some of the parts already anyway. And anyway, given that standard "modern negotiation tactics" seem to be for the potential buyer to offer 50% of asking or lower and act as if he's doing the seller a favor, the starting price is almost immaterial anyway.
  5. Thanks guys. And @vtwins4life, I didn't think you were trying to rain on my parade. I was sincerely hoping you might have some reference data for me.
  6. "He" is me, @vtwins4life. I know I'm starting "high," especially when compared to the standard V11s that sit for months on Craigslist at sub-$5k prices. But Rosso Mandellos are extremely rare and that spare tank alone is worth a bundle, I imagine. I couldn't find a single Rosso Mandello for sale anywhere with a price in extensive research, and almost nothing in the last three or four years. Based on pricing of other also-nearly non-existent special models, and extensive conversations at this year's Quail Motorcycle Gathering, I chose $8k as a perhaps-high-but-seemingly-reasonable starting point. Interested parties are welcome to make an offer, of course, but I'm not going to let it go for the price of a rusty greenie with crashmarks on both sides. If it doesn't sell, maybe I'll just keep it and fire it up to listen to the Magnis now and then. Maybe I'll sell off some of the parts and reduce the price some. Maybe I'll cut it up and make something with ergos that work for my newly-"reconfigured" leg, and sell off the bodywork. Oh, the humanity! Serious question: what do you think it's worth, and what is that number or range based on?
  7. Also an accurate interpretation. Every time I look at the photos of the bike, I think, "I can't/shouldn't sell this."
  8. Update: I've been getting a lot of questions about trades, so I added some notes on that. I also added a video demonstrating the sound of the Magni pipes—everyone ought to enjoy that. Oh, and here's another picture, with a lonely shop chair to signify sadness or whatever.
  9. Thanks. Yeah, physical therapy won't do it. Part of my foot is fused, and my knee is now 50% some dead guy's bones and 50% steel. There is likely another surgery in the works, but the reality is it's not going to get much better. My surgeon is already saying things like "Yeah, you're just gonna be taking a lot of pain pills the rest of your life." It's purely the leg thing—bars are fine. I've considered lowering the pegs but I don't think the difference will be sufficient. But I have an RT and a CRF250L, both of which work ok with my leg, or at least the pain isn't so unbearable—and I won't have to cut off a finger in penance if I drop either of those.
  10. Let's see what happens. As mentioned above, I may consider that but would like to see if a buyer who wants the whole pile exists first.
  11. This is an absolutely beautiful 2001 Moto Guzzi V11 Sport Rosso Mandello, #49 of a worldwide numbered limited edition run of 300. The bike is a bit of a time capsule, with some tasteful, “period correct” mods and a ton of very cool original parts and other bits and bobs, including the tank off another one of the 300 Rosso Mandellos. The bike has about 25,000 miles on it, but the odometer reads lower, in the high 13k range. Like many V11s, the speed failed and was replaced under warranty (at 4,234 miles). I have extensive documentation of service and other details from the first/previous owner, and paperwork for the minimal stuff that I did to the bike while under my care, which wasn’t much. I bought the bike from a friend of a friend (the original owner) in Texas and it arrived at my place in Oakland in December 2017. A few months later, I was hit by a car and after a bunch of surgeries, a total of fourteen days in the hospital and months of not riding, I’m left with a right leg and foot that don’t work well in sportier riding positions. I’ve always wanted one of these, and this bike is something of a quintessential representation of both the V11 and “modern” Guzzis, so it pains me to do this, but I also hate to have it just sitting here collecting dust. I’m a rider, not a collector. I showed the bike at this year’s Quail Motorcycle Gathering, but even riding it on to the green—hardly a Saddle Sore 1000—it was clear that my leg won’t work with the riding position, and I really don’t want to drop this wonderful example. The bike is in very, very good shape, rides well and sounds very amazing. These are tough to price, so I'll say I'm looking for $8,000. I may consider selling some things separately, but would rather sell the whole pile of stuff to someone who wants a Rosso Mandello with a bunch of good stuff. Mods: • Airbox replaced with K&N filters (RU-0630) on stock velocity stacks. • PowerCommander. • Penske shock. • Carbon fiber side panels (from Scura?). These are on the bike partly to accommodate the Penske shock's reservoir placement without cutting the original side covers (also included). • Carbon fiber tank pad (from Scura?). • Braking Wave Rotors (STX01D). • Rizoma bar-end mirrors. • Ghezzi-Brian carbon fiber chin spoiler. • Stucchi crossover. • Magni exhaust (http://www.magni.it/v11_exhaust.htm)—sounds AMAZING. • Black “GUZZI” valve covers. • Carbon fiber generator cover. • Carbon fiber rear hugger fender. (The original owner added a lot of carbon fiber, Scura-esque accents) Spares: • Original red valve covers, mint condition. • Used Rosso Mandello fuel tank with original paint, in very good shape (this is functionally unobtainium). • Original numbered Rosso Mandello side covers (very good condition). • Original tank pad. • Stock airbox (removed at 3,000 miles). • Original charcoal canisters and hoses. • Hepco & Becker racks for hard luggage. • Stock rear wheel hugger fender. • Original generator cover. • Tekno semi-rigid luggage with frames. • OEM mirrors. • OEM crossover. • Good-sized pile of gaskets and seals. Miscellany • Numbered limited edition certificate that came with the bike. • Workshop manual. • Parts book. • Extensive maintenance documentation. • Moto Guzzi fashion accessories: red leather gloves and what looks like a bandana(?). • New Pilot Road 3 tires in early 2018, probably 250 miles on them, tops. • New battery (Odyssey PC545). • Recently serviced and generator replaced. • There are a couple funny/cool stickers on the bike: Michelin men with knives on the fork legs, and a classical pinup+tiger sticker on the tail. I like them and think they’re part of the story of the bike, but they could be removed if the new owner is a stickler for such things. I have certainly forgotten some other bits and bobs. As you can see in the photos, there’s a LOT of stuff with the bike. If you have questions, shoot me a message with your email or phone number and I can fill you in, as well as send maintenance records, high-res versions and/or additional photos as needed, and so on. Thank you. Update: I have gotten a lot of questions about potential trades. I’d originally intended to sell the bike outright, but I’m also a believer in exploring interesting situations as they arise, so here are some bikes I might consider in trade. In general, these are “plus cash” options. I’m not looking for something that’s been beat on or has tons of miles. • Light-ish, late model-ish dual-sport. One person has suggested I take his 2014 KTM 690R, and that’s mighty compelling. I might be interested in a nicely set up—or stock but nice and clean—DR650 or something similar, although the DR is a little heavier than I'd like, and I have zero interest in a KLR. • Honda Grom or Kawasaki Z215, or—ideally—a Honda Monkey (the new one, not the ancient ones). Obviously plus quite a bit of cash. This is kind of a dumb idea, honestly, but I love these little bikes. • Honda NC700X DCT, preferably 2017 or later. Yeah, long shot, I know. • ‘83 or later, ideally ‘85-’86 Honda ATC250R or maybe a late Honda Odyssey or Pilot. Another long shot, and would have to be exceptionally clean. If you’ve got something you think is interesting, hit me up. Worst thing I can do is say no, maybe laugh a little. In this video, you can hear the startup sequence and the sound of the exhaust. Parts and such (side racks are there too, still wrapped up)
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  13. Your definition of easy is very different than most motorcyclists. The core: engine, suspension, etc are pretty standard stuff, parts availability isn't that abysmal, and sure, there isn't much in the way of fancy electronics, although that's not a Guzzi vs. MV distinction, it's an old times vs. modern times one. Your concern about parts availability in twenty years is applicable to the bulk of modern motorcycles. But a cursory glance at the technical discussions here make it clear that V11s are well beyond "easy" in any normal sense of the word, and "indefinitely" is an awful long time. As an illustrative point, I search for and grab parts for my Rosso with the same urgency I use for the Buell, and Buell doesn't exist any more.
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