Pressureangle
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Hopefully to put a nail in this thread, it's 10 days since the last time I turned the key to 'off'. I had the cover up so I could see the taillight and looked every evening; it was never lit. Today, put the key in it, battery said 12.5v, started immediately and significantly, went straight to 14.0 volts in only a couple minutes; at the Spine Raid, the day we left it took nearly an hour to recover the battery to a steady 14.0, so I know that despite the easy start the battery was significantly discharged.
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I used Brembo T-Drive rotors, for the way they look; I use Braking brake pads exclusively where I can, and have for 30 years. There's something about the feel of Braking's pads that is buttery smooth while being very progressive and as strong as you can ask for and most importantly, as kind to rotors as anything I've ever abused.
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17 hours ago, docc said:
If it were licensed, why would the eagle running light look like a Wuhan bat?
"Local Market" lol hey, familiarity is a huge part of marketing. So is Nationalism.
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Re-watch (or watch the first time) the original "The Italian Job" movie. It's easy to miss, but the gold they stole was Chinese gold brought to finance auto factories in Italy. Released in 1969. The Italians have been in bed with the Chinese WRT vehicles since WWII. I suspect this motorcycle will be found to be made under license to MG for the Chinese domestic market only.
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Cute, if weird in that Pininfarina way
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1 hour ago, audiomick said:
I've been thinking about that. Would it be really tragic if that end of the shaft wasn't air-tight? Phil wrote that the bung in the end is just a plate staked into place. I dare say that isn't really air-tight even when it is new.
I'll be taking mine out again to have a close look at it, but I'm inclined to think that if I don't rely on the grease nipple to lubricate, i.e. take it off every year or two and grease it dismantled on the bench, then it shouldn't really matter too much if that bung doesn't seal 100%.
Or am I overlooking something?
No, I think you're right; if you grease it manually and annually, the bung is really just a dust shield anyway.
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Driveshaft spline lubrication is more complicated than it seems it should be, not just ours.
The main problems are 2; firstly, distributing the grease from the single entry point equally around all the splines. This is usually done by a circumferential groove under the zerk, or as it appears in the V11 shaft by putting the zerk in the endspace where it can find it's way through everywhere. The other problem is the hydraulic one; if you have a relief in the endspace, the grease finds it's way out without going through the splines. The hydraulic action is what drives the lubricant through the splines. On big heavy stuff like trucks, the pressure isn't an issue because the motion is very slow with little travel- by the time it's left the driveway, the shaft has generally gone through most of it's range of motion and made space. On ours, this may not be the case and that first big bump could hydraulic the shaft and um...interfere with suspension movement. My shaft has the zerk in the middle of the splines, and I'm not sure whether it has a distribution groove or not- but I don't grease the zerk anyway, I disassemble the shaft and apply open gear & cable lube manually. That way I'm assured everything is clean and lubed as it can be. So I'm with Phil on the sealing of the yoke end, and after greasing compressing the suspension manually as much as possible to get the range of motion freed up.-
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2 hours ago, docc said:
This image makes me revisit the idea that @Pressureangle's issue could be "mechanical." (If the switch cleaning/service is not entirely effective).
Just thinking that, if these "detents" wear, the indexing on the switch could become compromised and allow the "park" lights to activate as a fault . . .
Nope.
A physical fault would not explain the time factor, that without being touched the lights eventually come on, and every time. The capacitor effect explains. And, so far they're still off after cleaning.
Interesting to note, my switch has 3 contact plates; nor are the 6 small contacts connected to anything.-
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10 minutes ago, audiomick said:
Yes, but....
Look at component #39 here
https://guzzitek.org/schemas_electriques/gb/1100/V11Sport_NonCatal_2004.pdf
That is the ignition switch, i.e. the switch that the key operates.
+12 V arrives from the battery (via fuses) in the first and third "column".
The "on" position connects the first column with the second, and the third with the fourth. First to second is ECU, Injectors, all the things that allow the bike to run, and the headlight. Third to fourth is power to the blinkers, the instrument lighting, and the park light, tail light and number plate light.
The "park" position connects the first column with the fourth, i.e. power only to the blinkers, the instrument lighting, and the park light, tail light and number plate light.
So I reckon docc is right: if the lighting relay dies on the way to wherever you want to get to, the tail light and park light and blinkers should still work, and be enough for other Verkehrsteilnehmer (traffic participants. There is a word for everything in German...) to see you and be able to avoid running you over (if they want to).
Yes. I misunderstood what he was saying. Of course, the switch activates that circuit separately from the ignition and headlamp, whether in 'run' or 'park'.
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1 hour ago, docc said:
That "park" function is an interesting circuit. With no relay involved, it is like a backup system if the main headlight circuit goes out. We are left with tail light, instrument lighting, and a 4 watt "headlight."
Enough for a "limp home" . . .
But the 'park' is below the 'lock' position, available only after the fork lock is activated. So, stuck in place.
Talked with Nic about the lights- he's humble about it but he's the youngest Certified Naval Nuclear Powerplant Operator the Navy ever graduated, so knows electronics to the atomic level. He suggested that the debris in the ignition switch actually created a capacitor, which I'd considered but don't have the depth of knowledge to more than imagine. He says capacitors are nothing more than basically dielectric grease with some current-carrying stuff mixed in it, which is precisely what was in the switch. <shrug> We'll know soon enough, I guess.-
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36 minutes ago, audiomick said:
That matches my 2002 V11 Le Mans
Edit: @docc does "Park" really turn on the instrument lights?
Doesn't make sense, really. Not that I'm questioning the fact, I just can't see why one would fire up the instrument lights to park the bike.
Verified, the instrument lamps light as well as the taillight.
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On the way home from the SSR, I had to give up the tunes to Nic; of course everyone likes what they heard when they were a teenager so, here you go; I know every word on the album because I used to travel with the kids a lot...
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On 9/7/2023 at 1:59 PM, docc said:
SO much better than the original. I hate the original.
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45 minutes ago, docc said:
The "lock" or "Park" ignition position turns those lights (tail, instrument, "city" light) on, yes?
Yours did in the SSR garage, @Pressureangle . . .
The 'park' position does, but not 'lock'. Is my scheme, or switch, the same as your V11? from L bottom clockwise, park-lock-push-off-run
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14 hours ago, docc said:
If the Ghost Fault doesn't clear with the Ignition Switch service, I wonder about whatever mechanical mechanism locks the steering in the Park position that, then, turns those lights on . . .
I wish now that we'd made a test of the parking state; I never turned it to the 'lock' position to discover whether that would turn the lights off, or prevent them coming on. Oh well, we'll know soon enough.
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19 minutes ago, docc said:
If the Ghost Fault doesn't clear with the Ignition Switch service, I wonder about whatever mechanical mechanism locks the steering in the Park position that, then, turns those lights on . . .
I don't know that the V11 is the same, but the fork lock is an entirely separate housing riveted to the top fork clamp, to which the switch screws into the bottom of. I did not explore how the key cylinder itself comes out.
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2 minutes ago, audiomick said:
Yes.
I read the solution here somewhere: don't try to pry out all three retainers. Get the one that is visually obvious free, and then rotate the switch plate upwards. And it just falls out.
I can't remember what was "visually obvious", but it was obvious just by looking at it which of the three retainers is the one to be working on.
I broke the first one. Success only after the failure, and thinking about what I did wrong.
The second attempt was successful.
Yes! I should have made mention. The first came easily, then the whole thing rotated out easily while I was working on the second retainer.
Still to note, the pick must be thin, and pointed enough to penetrate your finger when you slip. No blood, no glory -
So the Spine Raiders will remember this year's Ghost in the Machine- shut my key off, then some time between 5 minutes and infinity, the instrument lamps and tail lamp would come on...
Eventually, the wiggle test pointed to the ignition switch or wires, and the following morning after the ride home I simply unplugged the switch at the connector and all went dark.
SO.
I'm not certain I'm happy about it, but sort of, that I could remove the switch with 2 phillips screws without touching anything else like the fairing.
The bottom of the switch housing has 3 small snaps to carefully push in and pry loose, easy enough. The switch itself was a little more challenging, also with 3 snap retaining lips. The trouble is, the switch with the ramp retainers is not compressible, so one must use a thin pick to wiggle in between the switch contact plate and outer housing, and raise the flexible housing enough to get the retainer past it. It seems this would be the part where the housing usually gets broken, but not so today. Fortunately the switch contacts, springs, and detent balls are all captive so no church dancing or expletives.
Nothing obvious presented itself but a small defect in the insulation of the green wire, rubbed through by the plastic post of the rotating switch plate which protrudes through the contact plate. The copper switch contacts on the rotating plate had a little green on them, in whatever sort of grease the Italians used, very sparingly, on the switchgear. This green was also spread around the contacts of the stationary plate; the money shot here is that I think the green stuff is oxidized copper from the contact shoes and may have some capacitance, though I could not discover any circuit faults with a multimeter.
One notable point is that 2 of the switch shoes have detent balls below them and share the spring with the detent balls; if the housing itself with the detent ramps is contaminated with something conductive (like grease, brake dust, road grime, contact corrosion etc) it could conceivably create a circuit and cause these symptoms, but I could detect no circuit at all with the meter.
So the only thing left to do, is route the rubbed wire away from contact with the moving part, clean everything up and reassemble. I use laundry soap and nail brush for this sort of degreasing, and balsamic vinegar with table salt to clean any oxidation and corrosion. Squeaky clean with dielectric grease and hopefully it will be back in normal service.
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My first thought is that your throttles are out of synch, and/or your injectors need cleaning.
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35 minutes ago, Josh said:
Drum brakes, the original ABS.
They don’t work like 4 pot Brembo brakes. But with the application of the rear brake and a little help from the transmission they get the job done. It takes all 10 fingers and all ten toes for sure.
I was definitely tired after a weekend of trying to keep up with the 1100 and 1200’s.
But the *good* kind of tired.
Monday, Nic and I went up 360 through the Dragon and took 28 all the way to the end in Georgia, cutting off at Walhalla.
That's the best piece of road I've seen in the East and rivals anything I've seen out West either, one section of about 10 miles you could literally set your cruise control at 35mph and enjoy it.
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15 hours ago, KINDOY2 said:
Josh's Tonti was my favorite bike there ..and might I say " He rides the PISS" out of it..Makes he want one now..Although I wouldn't look as cool as he does on it!!
Can't slow down when you got no brakes... lol
There were places I did not care to try to keep up behind Josh- on the Sport.-
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On 8/25/2023 at 11:51 PM, KINDOY2 said:
It stuck in my mind so I've kept looking at this and I see the hold up...their's NO Hammer!
*Doc* is the Hammer. He's behind the camera.
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Given the exponential increase in the price of used motorcycles over the past couple years, I'd expect to see a similar curve in motorcycle tire sales. If Goodyear has them, it means they're staying. Good thing too, if I ever get this Norton finished. Or started.
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54 minutes ago, activpop said:
Now my next dillema. The grease zircs I got are still too big. Can't use the old ones because thread is too small for the new crosses. I have to find smaller ones, not sure if they are available., but I'll make something work. Don't want to go to plan B. Don't even want to tell you what plan B is.
I think I can find the remaining 8 from the bag of 10 I had to buy...lol
Let me know and I'll drop some in the mailbox.-
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Unexpected adventure with brand disloyalty
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So, I have this maniacal Canadian friend who lives in Maine. He bought an '04 BMW GSA. Then he found another, price so low it was theft due to a tank full of water. So he 'bought it for me'. 'Come get it whenever you can, pay me whenever'. So after a year of telling him he could triple his money on it, he still insists it's mine; He planned a trip to Ohio with a few other friends, and since I was going to Ohio anyway there was no avoiding it. Flew to Maine, rode it back to Florida. Never saw an inch of interstate, about 3k miles worth of secondary and back roads. I forgot to record some of it, but here are the links to the parts I did.
https://www.relive.cc/view/v36AxYYm7GO
https://www.relive.cc/view/vRO78Mk2oy6
https://www.relive.cc/view/vPOpr5L7XRq
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