Tom in Virginia
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Photographers posted along the "Dragon's Tail" route did a great job of catching all the bikes as they went by. This is the first picture in over 50 years of riding of me actually underway on one of my beloved Moto Guzzi's. Can't wait until next years Spine Raid. 
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Got out for an extended ride on the "new" to me "new" '02 LM. Beautiful weather finally has arrived. Tipped the ODO over to 2650 miles. She's tight and runs like a good sewing machine.
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Step complete!
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37 minutes ago, LowRyter said:
Thanks Tom, what were you guys burning down?
Docc, you look younger than ever.
Perhaps I can try to get there again next year?
That was halfway (300 of 600 miles ) to Spine Raid. Have a camper in the mountains on a creek that I use as my getaway pad to sleep and ride from since my "home" is in the flat lands of Eastern VA. I was just burning up some tree limbs after riding dirt bike THEN drinking a few cold ones.
One thing led to another and the few cold ones lit the idea of "why not a fire?"
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Here's a link to the photos I took during the weekend. Didn't pull out the camera, just the phone, but had a good time with docc and the guys.
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33 minutes ago, Chuck said:
Gfived (is that a verb?) the 4130 over to my old (now) friend Brad at the water jet shop. He says "Next week." So. If you want The Last Edition Lucky Phil Shifter Extender (tm).. speak up now.
Will it be engraved with "Last Edition Lucky Phil ... and Chuck"?
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I messaged Chuck just now with my email and address for shipment upon fab.
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Been out of loop for awhile on this topic, Any update on another batch being fab'd? I have an "02 anxiously awaiting for upgrade and want another to set on shelf in case i change the 03 current setup.
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On 9/2/2020 at 6:56 PM, docc said:
About a week out and I see I started the Sport's shakedown three months ago and have ridden it over 2700 miles. About as ready as it can possibly be and properly separated from the Waddington Effect (unwanted outcomes from my messing with it
). I told a buddy that if I didn't saddle up and head out next week she would probably sprout a cortex and leave without me! 
SpineRaiders are looking to number 10-14 for this S'xteenth South'n. Y'all ride well, ya hear?
My bike's in same situation, she's tired of takedown/reassembly and wants some ride time. Now, coils due Tuesday from MGG Cycle so tanks coming off off again. Still gonna be there, just may have to bring a backup ride so I'm not left watching
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8 hours ago, Lucky Phil said:
Have you gone into the errors page and cleared any errors? Don't know if it will help but you cant change the CO until errors are cleared.
I cleared the 2 faults indicated. Last night I changed out TPS with a new one and set it as close to157mV as possible. I'll inform after completing another decent tuneup process. (note the black line that shows gaps as I throttle upwards and back down. Appears that is where the bike is stumbling and popping/surging. Hope new tuneup process resolves these holes)
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15 minutes ago, docc said:AFAIK, no US V11 had oxygen sensors.
(off topic, then: biggest two issues I see missing from your list @Tom in Virginia is CO Fuel Trim zero and TPS baseline. Pretty sure those are on for the SpineRaid TechSession!)
Yup, kinda hijacking this thread but here it is anyway....checking TPS now to see if its smooth transition up/down. Seems to be but I may change TPS to a new one anyway. Also CO Fuel Trim. GD shows "0" on the +/_ screen with START button but then click START and GD gives me what I'd call an error screen that says "Active diagnostics could not be started". Tried multiple ways to get by this running, ignition on, off running, motor cold/hot and hot >60C.. No help.
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OK, kinda dumb lazy question here, should my 2003 LM have an O2 sensor installed? I just yesterday removed the PCIII, replugged the ECU wiring back into the 15M ECU. Going to "try" to run the GuzziDiag and see if I can work thru/get system at least up/running to check a few parameters. Not going to make any changes though. Bike ran very well 4k to redline. Coughs, spits, stutters surges below 4K when off throttle or transitioning up/down. Idles fine.
(Valves in spec, TB s balanced, air bleed screws cleaned, new plugs, new NGK plug wires, new OMRON relays (all 5), fuel filter and pump appear ok, clean K&N air filter properly oiled, intake box cleaned of smudge, intake boots appear OK)
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2 hours ago, Nihontochicken said:
I've always been leery of electrics inside the gas tank. The "air" space above the liquid is generally near 100% gas fumes, but there is a chance that some real air (oxygen) can get in and make the mixture explosive, particularly in a nearly empty tank. The most infamous fuel tank explosion occurred in TWA Flight 800 over NY City in 1976. Note that jet fuel (kerosene) is not as inherently explosive as is gasoline. Here's a link to the Wiki coverage:
Wikipedia: "The report's conclusion was that the probable cause of the accident was explosion of flammable fuel vapors in the center fuel tank. Although it could not be determined with certainty, the likely ignition source was a short circuit.[1]:xvi Problems with the aircraft's wiring were found, including evidence of arcing in the Fuel Quantity Indication System (FQIS) wiring that enters the tank. The FQIS on Flight 800 is known to have been malfunctioning; the captain remarked on what he called "crazy" readings from the system approximately two minutes and thirty seconds before the aircraft exploded. As a result of the investigation, new requirements were developed for aircraft to prevent future fuel tank explosions.[9]"
Lesson learned: If your fuel gauge starts giving you crazy readings, BAIL OUT!!!
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That's the same center but somewhere there is one that includes the falcon in the black background. As you said,
3 hours ago, footgoose said:They are thicker than a decal but nice, kind of a flexible vinyl with sticky back.
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55 minutes ago, gstallons said:
FWIW : old garages used to weld up rusty fuel tanks . They would remove the tanks and run an exhaust pipe into the empty fuel tank , poke a hole ( about 3/8'' ) into the uppermost part of the tank , start up the donor car . After a few minutes , braze , led or weld away . After finishing , they would fill in the man made hole and call it good .
I'm not sure if these were men or fools ?
Wait now, you are speaking of a Kentucky garage, right?
Makes sense though, they were essentially purging the tank with carbon monoxide and various other gases.
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https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=30&products_id=5389
The MG Cycle fuel pump is supplied with a pigtail, but if the old wiring/connector is in good shape and the fuel pump connector is compatible then I may not have to make any "connections" other than plug and play. That avoids incurring any wiring challenges. Another concern was having to mess with the wiring penetration at the base of the fuel pump foundation where all 4 wires penetrate the rubber tank grommet and exit the tank to the external plug in connectors.
The fuel pump is not all that expensive so that'll be in hand, as well as the hose clamps and crimping tool, and added to my winter tear down work list when I take the tank off again.
3 hours ago, gstallons said:First answer ; there is not enough air in the tank to allow a "burn" to take place .
Yes, I guess once the tank is closed, then there may be gas fumes in the void above the liquid fuel but not per se "oxygen".
3 hours ago, Lucky Phil said:Why would you need to do any wiring repairs to replace the pump? aren't they all plug connectors in there?
Ciao
I certainly hope so Phil, the "pig tail" in the MG Cycle link kinda made me think I need to do something more than just plug in.
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Anyone have any idea who might stock the tank decal identified in picture. Once the tank bag was removed, noted that the decal underneath has several large bubbles. Not a big deal, if I can't source one then will just leave as is. Internet searches have been fruitless. Thanks in advance.
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Can someone explain how an in-tank fuel pump with 6 different electrical wires/connections (see picture of pump) can be immersed in a tank filled with gasoline not cause the tank to explode or cause any kind of fire?
I took my tank off and pulled the fuel pump unit. Plan was to replace the fuel filter but it back flowed onto a clean cloth with very little to no sediment and the filter is a metal one so assume it has been replaced at least once prior. Also did not have the proper hose clamps and crimper to reattach the filter to the hose. While I was in there planned to replace fuel pump as routine maintenance. Admittedly I am reluctant since I would have to cut wires and remake connections. With concerns for how to properly electrically connect wiring inside of a tank that holds highly flammable liquid, I decided it best just to reassemble the pump unit into the tank and put off until I have more knowledge on the subject/maintenance. Thus the lead in question.
The metal foil tape covering the heat resistant cloth on the underside of the tank was showing its age and a bit knackered so I recovered it to give it some more life.
Thanks in advance for the knowledge and suggestions.
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Great pics Bill, looks like a really fun time. Sure the stories were a lot of laughs.
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2 hours ago, jtucker said:
Also, noticed that GTM is offering a steering damper from Matris:
__Jason
Wow, Matris has gotta be making a killing on a $400-$500 steering damper!
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On 8/24/2020 at 9:00 AM, docc said:
I'll look up links and model number later if you like . . .
I like...
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Anyone have any experience with this rear shock on an '03LM? I have the fork spring kit installed in front forks from what PO paperwork tells me. The rear shock remains stock and have had no problems with it, pretty satisfied overall but its getting up in age and may consider an affordable replacement.
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1 hour ago, Chuck said:
I found out way more than I wanted to know with a DNA test..
Tell us more!
So my son sent me the DNA, kit, sent it in. Pretty cool but somewhat as I expected:
- 62% British
- Irish 32% (but specifically recognized Isle of Mann area!)
- 4% Swedish
- and surprisingly 1% Filipino and 1% American Indian.
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5 hours ago, docc said:
Someone else recently asked if the bolt pattern of the fuel filler caps is the same between the early (chin-pad) tanks and the later, longer tanks with the internal pump/filter . . .
By quick comparison between a '02 and '03 tank ring, measurements appear to be the same. However, I only measured with carpenters rule, did not micrometer. Note that the 2 most forward screws are inverted flat head machine screws installed from the bottom of the lower adapter ring and do not match the tank ring cap screw locations below them. This is how SWMotech adapts the upper lock ring on multiple different tank ring/bike configurations. So to answer the question, it appears the tank ring bolt config is the same between early and later models (at least between an '02 w/chin pad and '03 w/o chin pad).
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30 amp fuse
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Kiwi Roy, from your V11 Sport schematic ...
"Refer to Test Point Layout drawing for additional troubleshooting info"
Is there another drawing you refer to here, or would it be the schematic presented here?
Having intermittent starting issue with an almost "new" 2600 miles 2002 LeMans and would like to troubleshoot using this schematic. Assume it is also applicable to 2002 LM?
Thanks much for the easily readable/understandable drawing!
Tom in VA