pete roper

OK, as mentioned by someone else, (Paul???) this isn't a RAM or any of the other lightweight, single plate units used in the 1100's. What it is is a replica flywheel made of alluminium that has been around for yonks, if you look at the recesses for the springs there are only eight of 'em. All the 1100's I believe use the 10 spring unit so this wouldn't fit, (well it would but the pressure plate wouldn't and clamping force would be marginal.) I don't know if it's common knowledge by I and another bloke, Rob Johnson, race a Guzzi over here in Oz, (When the bugger doesn't blow up!!!) and for three seasons we ran one of these wheels. I got it second hand from Dave, "Thrasher' Mildwater, an old mate. He had it in a Mk I LeMans he blew up chasing an M series BMW down an autobahn in Germany. When that bike got out to Oz we tarted it up and on-sold it but I snaffled the flywheel as part of the deal and it then served for several tens of thousands of KM in my short stroke hot-rod that got revved to nearly 10 grand regularly. After I got one too many invitations to empty my wallet into the NSW government's consolidated revenue and told to walk once too often I took it out of the hot-rod and it went into the racebike. Last year, (Almost a year ago exactly!) we threw a rod at Eastern Creek and as the crank stopped, (Like it does when a half rod lodges in the side of the crankcase!) the inertial forces were great enough to shear the flywheel bolts We have since fitted a super-lightweight single plate clutch but the alloy wheel *will* be going in the 'B' motor I'm building. I've checked it as carefully as I can without X-raying it and it honestly seems fine!!!! Whatever the anodising process that is used it's as tough as buggery. There has been NO damage to the teeth of the flywheel at all, and this wheel has copped a LOT of abuse. One important thing is that it is NOT a good idea to use Schnoore washers on the wheel as it does cut through the anodising. Schnoores on top of flat washers is what I use. Also because of the added thickness of the alloy wheel the thrust cup has to be machined or the clutch pushrod is too long. Whether this wheel was an abberation, whether it was wrongly fitted, or whether it was maybe a cheap copy from a less reliable supplier I don't know but in my experience these wheels are a happy thing. One failure shouldn't put people off completely. Mind you, all you sods with the late model 10 springer or the RAM single plater, (Not the one modified by Guzzi for fitment to the Scurra!) don't really have to worry as your clutches and flywheels are about as light as you can get anyway. Me? I like the Eldo flywheel in my SP Pete

I have a set of RAM barrels and pistons in my little hot-rod. They too have a teflon coating on the pistons. Will I expect any of it to be there on the thrust sides after a few thousand KM???? Probably not I can understand the thinking, low friction material, used in racers, etc. etc. but people forget that racers, *real* racers are designed to get maximum power etc. for a very brief period of time. After they are over the finish line it doesn't matter a toss if they fall into a billion tiny pieces!!! Much though most of us would like to think of our bikes as 'Racers on the Road' they ain't, and I tend to think that teflon coatings and the like are a load of old wank in normal, everyday, applications. I'm not fussed that my pistons have a teflon coating, my engine is adequately protected from it by an oil filter and a sludge trap, but to be honest I'd prefer it not to be there. Your opinion may vary but things like teflon coatings, asbestos exhaust windings, sodium filled valves and all the rest of the crap, (Dare I say Desmodromics???? ) are just a stupid waste of money. I haven't noticed reputable piston manufacturers like Wiseco rushing onto the bandwagon? Look at the FBF pistons for the V11, as far as I can remember no silly teflon coating there. Pete. (PS. I did a 1,200KM run oa Albury and back up through the Snowy Mountains opn my shitty old 44 BHP 'Vert over the last two days. My speed NEVER exceeded 85MPH and it was the best fun I've had in a fair old while! Then I found out the Race Bike has dropped a valve seat! Talk about a downer ) Pete

INA bearing info noted Thanks mate, look, I make no claims to knowing squat about V11's but having been around Guzzis for longer than some riders have been alive I'd be more than happy to believe that Guzzi would cheap out on bearings One of the problems we have in an age whre you are expected to pay $20,000 for a 'Consumer Durable' that is not Pete

Al, when you say just the crank and rods in the block I take it that the timing chain and sprockets weren't on??? The thing is that unless you have the timing gear on there is nothing to set the end float on the crank so it will move fore and aft until the web faces biff into the bearings. Once the crank sprocket is installed the crank is pulled through the sprocket as the nut is tightened up and because it is all made pretty well the end float is set by the difference between the depth of the front main bearing and the crank journal. As Keith sez there are no tollerances listed in the manual, never have been. If you ensure something is made right you presumably don't need to list a tollerance . 4 to 8 thou, 0.1 to 0.2mm is IMHO fine, you can go a thou or two bigger but no lower. Also, for the benefit of JuhaV, there *IS* a thrust face on the front bearing. If you pull it out and look at it you'll see that the back where it faces the crank isn't flat, there are two, *channels* machined in it and it's through these that lubrication gets to the thrust faces. It is very important that the crank doesn't *float* too much, there is a strictly limited amount of side play in the rods on the crank-pin and in the little ends on the gudgeons. If the crank was able to lurch back and foward under the influence of acceleration and/or braking enormous side loadings would be imposed on rods, pistons and bores and believe me, they wouldn't last long!!!!! Generally speaking, because the design is so simple, people tend to think that it's manufacture is also slapdash and inaccurate. In fact Guzzis are, generally, very well and accurately machined compared to many products and a lot of thought went into ensuring that by accuracy of manufacture repair and maintenance would be simple and easy. Setting the end float by doing up a nut on the end of the crank is a fine and splendid thing, it's common to most cars and many modern motorbikes but when the Guzzi motor was concieved most motorbike engines were still running rolling ellement cranks and some, like the appalling Ducati designs were so poorly made you had to shim absolutely everything to get it even roughly the right size!!!! The Guzzi motor may well be a box with a couple of sticks in it, but they're well made sticks!!!!! Pete

You'd have to admit that the Combat Wombat manufactured by Hodaka was pretty silly! V-Strom I think just about takes the biscuit at the moment though, what's that all about????? Pete

I dunno what clutch your bike has in but the last of the 10 spring, twin plate units are about as light as you can get them. OK, you can drill a few holes but apart from that I'd suggest that you might compromise their reliability if you take too much out. There is the RAM single plate option. Lots of people swear by it, but Having seen a few I reckon their weight is too far out from the centre of rotation to make much difference. I'm quite happy to be wrong on this though, after all, my favorite bike is a heavy flywheel Convert, (Currently spread from arsehole to breakfast all over the workshop Pete

I've got no love of coppers. The old question of why are coppers like banannas always comes to mind and Highway Patrol/ Traffic always seems to attract arseholes but as an institution I've come to accept they are a necessary evil. Most of them really are *Just Doing Their Job* and went into it with the best of intentions. If we, in democracies, continue to elect cretins who enact bills which create laws that are purposeless, meaningless and, at the end of the day dangerous for the future of us as an inteligent species then it's these blokes that have to enforce them. In all democracies based on the Westminster principle there is something known as the 'Separation of the Powers'. While Wallopers may mainly be bum-faced freaks who haven't got a clue and fancy themselves 'cos they get to wear funny clothes, at the end of the day the only people we can blame for having such a crap system are ourselves for electing the *Statesmen* (Sigh, and Women!) who pass stupid legislation and won't pay wages sufficient to get educated *quality* into the job of policing. OK, rant mode off and I'll crawl back under my rock. Pete

Mind you the forward mounted oil tank fed by weir suggests 'Panther'????? Pete

Lookingat the shape of the tank badge I'd guess it's an Ariel. Obviously a twin port sloper, I'd also guess from the late twenties to early 30's. I forgot to look to see if it had rer uspension, (I think not.) If it has that's blown my theory out of the water. The only thing that makes me wonder is the tower that looks like a cam drive. It's not a Chater-Lea face cam is it???? I thought they went out of production in the early twenties???? Pete

I picked the Vic. but then I used to own a swag of Lilacs Pete

Looks like a Benelli 2C but it might be a 125 variant although I thought they were all singles. Like any air cooled two stroke you had to ride the sods with one hand hovering over the clutch for when they nipped up . best to carry around a pocket full of pistons for when they got holes in and a couple of sets of barrels for when the ring pegs fell out! Pete

Nah! Bloody Clog-Wogs, got no class at all! If you're gouing to design a ride like this you have to have a section where two opposing *teams* rush past each other in close proximity so if one 'Parks a Tiger' in all the excitement it is possible to do it into the path of the on-coming *opposition*. What on earth is the point of having a chunder-inducing ride if it doesn't a.) turn the punters upside down so all the money falls out of their pockets, and b.) ensure that nobody wnats to sit next to them on the bus on the way home!?????? That's the problem with fun-fairs nowadays they've all been taken over by kitten-jugglers and nonces! When I was young you didn't think you'd been to an 'Enormity' (as they were known.) until you came home with only half a spleen and having lost 2/3rds of your blood and other vital bodily fluids!!!! The only nice girl I ever met called 'Tracey' I met at a fun-fair. In retrospect I think she was neither very nice or even recognisably a girl unless you had a skinfull of warm beer and had consumed several kilo's of soggy potato chips and a couple of those burgers that look like something you scrape off your shoe after a day at a stock and station show! Lets face it, when you're a teenager it isn't worth doing unless it involves booze, fighting or sex! Prefferably all three together!!!!! Pete

We don't have 'coons over here, I could substitute Possum tails or more likely fox, which are a feral pest. I think tassels and ape hangers would be a good look too, I might even get to meet one of those women with the 'MotoGuzzi' G-string that somebody found, (Tex???? ). The problem is when I meet women like that I usually get sprayed with mace and have to spend several days in a police cell, I can't understand why??? Just becaue I sort of have a pick at the edge to see what's underneath Pete

I don't want the shit-bag, ugly, V11 tank, I want the lithe, gorgeous, sinuous, Daytona tank. Yeah, Yeah, I should look at using Cliff's 'pooter but, (Watch my lips!) I LIKE CARBS!!!! I understand them and they work perfectly well for my chosen useage. Barry's Carbed Daytona goes like stink, I'll just pester and moan at him until he helps me out if I get grief Nah, I'm getting itchy! I detest the MGS01 I think its an ugly, derivative, turdbox and I'd rather have a sumo wrestler play timpani on my buttocks with blunt scalpels than think that that was the best you could do with a HiCam in a spineframe. anyway, if I do it myself I can paint it pink and fit a set of leather saddlebags with mother-of-pearl inlay and rhinestones on the back to shit off the purists. A nice mural on the tank of a naked girl with unfeasibly large breasts fondling a snake would be a nice touch too!!!! I'm thinking!!!!!! Pete

Paul, as you know I covet your motorcycle in a way that is both demeaning and unhealthy!!!! How much would it actually cost me to buy all the shit so I can stuff a HiCam with a six speeder into a spiney? OK, so I'll piss lots of people off by putting some sodding great carburetors on it rather than using FI, (Shut up in the back row! Nobody asked you!!!! ) but every time I see pics of your unit I sort of go all weak at the knees and get brain-fade. Is it possible to cram a HiCam into a V11 chassis without too many problems? this would seem to be a cheaper option than going the whole hog with your mods. Damn, stop posting those pics!!! I'm quite happy with my crappy old Tonti's Pete

You're welcome Pete

Errr, and you could always email Stucchi ! Basically though if you want the easy route just get into contact with Rick and Gordon at MG Cycle. Top blokes and a pleasure to do business with! Pete

Go get a late '70's early '80's T3. It'll go all the places these poofterish 'Dual Sport's' can go and you can fix it with two rusty screwdrivers and a big 'ammer! I vomit on anything with a rotax engine over-complex, underbuilt bits of sh!t!!! A pox upon them all!!! Pete

Take Ye, One part eye of newt, three parts scrotum of willdebeast, add in three boa-constrictor bladders and stir while singing ' Chirpy-chirpy-cheep-cheep' to the accopmanyment of a tuba and piano-accordian. Cook over a slow fire until it smells a lot worse than it did when it started and then stick your head in the embers. The medical bills will at least get you something which this piece of useless plastic flatulence can't possibly deliver!!!!! Pete

Yeah, OK. I apologise too. I think it may just be a cultural difference, the US 'In your face' type attitude. It just grates a bit with me from time to time and i still found, after re-reading the thread, that there seemed to be a whole lot of derision and accrimony that was un-necessary Anyway, I'll crawl back under my rock and play with my brass tubes pete

Just one point on physically moving the timing. The trigger is the *missing teeth* on the 'Phonic Wheel' as Guzzi so charmingly call it. This is behind the cam sprocket and the pick-up is mounted in the wall of the timing chest. To change it's position you would either have to make slots and some sort of clamp to enable you to move the pick-up in relation to the sprocket and my guess would be that sealing such a mechanism would be a right frontbottom. The other alternatives would be to slot the 'Phonic Wheel so that it could be moved in relation to the locator peg, this would be probably the easiest but changing it's position would require removal of the timing chest each time you did it, this idea also has whiskers on it! I believe you can change the timing a tiny bit by varying the gap betwixt wheel and pick-up but probably not by a meaningfull amount. For these reasons I think it has been widely assumed that probably the best way of doing it is by programming timing changes into the ECU. Now. NONE of this is my province. Other people may like traffic lights! I like Carbs, I even have a sort of medieval attatchment to point I make no claim to being able to offer any scintilating insights into this debate but I have to agree that it'd decended into fatuous, masturbatory, tripe. S'probably why Cliff seems to have given up on it. I find the sort of agressive, hectoring and derisory tone of a lot of the contributions tedious beyond belief. If people want to come here and offer help and advice? I'm all for it. If the aim seems to be to belittle other peoples efforts, (For why? To corner the market in tuning FI Guzzis? Well, I wish them a happy retirement to the Bahamas on the strength of that ) and generally big note themselves while putting down other peoples work??? I also find people who post serious tech stuff annonymously tedious, don't you have confidence in your own abilities??? Ahhh, bugger it. I'll shut up, s'not worth getting all hot under the collar about. Pete (Who reckons it's about time to hop on the mighty Convert and adjourn to the pub where he'll inject a couple fof Carlton Draught's into his system )

The bastard probably has to put bricks on the seat to stop it blowing away Time for another fix Paul, post up some pics when they're on so I can hate you even more Pete

It's a Ner-a-car Jim. Very inovative for it's time HCS and all!!! Pete

Mainly down to my experiences with the sintered bronze twin plate units available in the early '80's which were awful and wore out in next to no time and my mate Dave's Transkontinental unit that used a bronze plate that wore out in about a week!!!!! We use bog-standard fibre plates in our race bike without problems I just tend to think Bronze is a recipe for rapid wear for little or no gain. Pete

FWIW, the Cali came up and we extracted the lifters, bled them down, re-installed and lo and behold they were way out of whack Now we didn't drop the sump to check the lobes but I phoned the Oz. Importers and was told that, yes, this bike was within the range of the recall, (Which recall Buggered if I know????? Look, speaking to Dave, The head honcho for this stuff, he did seem genuinely concerned, (And for a miserable cynic like me to think that I think there is some hope ). I also phoned Todd Haven in Houston who kindly gave me the stats on what was acceptable in terms of bled-down clearance etc. I'm hoping that Dave will send me a couple of buggered cams, some buggered lifters AND the shiny, new, replacements so I can graph them all, (If poss.), hardness test them at the mint, and see if we can get a categorical answer to why such a great idea, (For a tourer, I hate the term 'Cruiser' even though it probably applies to the Cali's.) went arse up in the first place? Using my prior knowledge of Guzzi hstory I tend to point the bone at accountants rather than the engineers. I still believe that Guzzis are fundamentally excellently engineered. What DID piss me off was that this $22,000AU EV was delivered without any clamps on the mufflers, the bling from the LH pipe was missing and examining the threads where it is supposed to be bolted on there was still chrome plate on the threads and the splines of the bevelbox were ungreased and that was a cursory 15 minute examination before we hooked into the lifters. You might be able to say the bling fell off, but NO motorbike should be delivered to a customer without exhaust clamps!!!!! It's imbecelic!!!!! On a lighter note I had a Ballabio in as well for a bit of a looksee and we removed the restrictors from the Remus pipes. Cor! didn't that make it a bit more lively . And to top it off another bloke dropped in with his My 16M equipped 1100 Sport! Good grief! Thre bikes under 10 years old in one day!!! Be still my beating heart!!!!! Pete