2000 Redframe on deck

[Lucky Phil]

On 4/17/2025 at 10:21 AM, audiomick said:

I found some picture at Stein-Dinse. Assuming they are accurate, the Centauro did indeed have a similar side plate to the V11. I can't tell from the pictures, though, if they were exactly identical. 

Centauro:

 

 

V11:

 

The part numbers are very close, though.

Centauro: 01415850

One V11 version: 01415890, another V11 version: 01415830.

Maybe the difference is only the colour.

 

PS: it seems the Daytona RS had them too:

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/moto guzzi/moto_guzzi_daytona_rs 94.htm

And a picture from the Wikipedia

Franken-Guzzista, CC BY-SA 4.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0>, via Wikimedia Commons

The Centy plates wont fit Mick the gearbox is a 5 speed.

Phil

[Lucky Phil]

2 hours ago, Pressureangle said:

Whelp, back in town for a few weeks...

The Oberon clutch slave arrived, and it's a no-go. The bore is 2mm wider, and the piston is completely different. 

A question not clearly answered is, 'why was this transmission taken out anyway?'
It appears that someone had tried to remove the clutch slave, and the case finish around it is destroyed- so either it's been bled a lot of times or it was leaking badly, or both. Two screws came easily, the third had evidence of failure and did not come easily, though with proper tools and technique it came out without horns or heat. So I'll assume the poor bike fell to ruin over a clutch slave cylinder and some misunderstanding. 

Bummer. Like I said the devil is in the details.

Phil

[Pressureangle]

1 hour ago, docc said:

By "2005-up", this means CARC series?

I dunno...that's a noise my dog makes.

[Pressureangle]

4 hours ago, Pressureangle said:

oh btw who with a 2005-up needs a nice shiny new red slave cylinder?

Plowing through the parts fisches at Harpers, the first thing I could find that takes a different slave arrangement from this V11 is the 2007 8v Griso. 

I wonder...if I could bore the case and use the Griso bearing bits and pushrod. 
I have to inventory everything now that I have the transmission in hand, I have the throwout bearing and pushrod but haven't seen the bearing/pushrod hat. 

Meh. Looks like everything is very different, and the correct slave is only $90. 

Edited June 5 by Pressureangle

[Pressureangle]

Okee, finally got the transmissing on the bench for a lookat. 

It's had the slider recall done, has a Dr. Phil's shift extender on it, I have the return spring to install should it need that.
However
The thing has sat for about 8 years with the rear cover off- in a cardboard box, under a bench- dry enough to show only the tiniest bit of surface rust on the gear faces, but the output shaft bearing is tight. I don't see rust, probably mung, but with ~63k miles and I have to disassemble it for the output bearing (Right? It appears to shoulder from the forward end of the shaft) I may just give it all new bearings.

Had a search, I didn't see a thread on disassembly...who's holding? I have no shop manual for the 6 speed. I could fake it but I'm very short on time available if it has any chance at all of making the S'n Spine Raid this year.

[Pressureangle]

So impatience wins. This may be the easiest to separate trans I've ever seen. Everything inside looks fab, except for the shift forks which have some humidity warts, but local to them and easily cleaned. The gears, forks, and dogs look *very* lightly used, not a super surprise given what I know of the previous owner.

Now on to the stranger danger- 
This looks like special tools, presses, windowed collars, and heat to me. Anyone?
I bet this could come apart fast enough to have Mary Magdalene calling her son for a week. 

[Pressureangle]

For anyone following clutch slave stuff, here's a photo of the Oberon ~2007 slave next to the 2000 OEM.

 

[Pressureangle]

Clutches.

The clutch is still on the motor, but the trans input hub has enough wear I'll replace it and the clutch.

OEM is ~$225 for 2 plates!?! 

Best option? 

Edited June 6 by Pressureangle

[docc]

46 minutes ago, Pressureangle said:

Clutches.

The clutch is still on the motor, but the trans input hub has enough wear I'll replace it and the clutch.

OEM is ~$225 for 2 plates!?! 

Best option? 

edit: frankly, your input hub doesn't look that bad to me. Mine is pretty knackered and lends itself to quite a racket . . .

(oi - be certain that "safety washer" locks up tight.)

 

[Pressureangle]

Well if your clutch still works with that, mine should be ok. I'll have a look at the friction components then decide whether to replace them or not. 

Getting to that output bearing is going to be an exercise in patience, for sure.

 

[docc]

If I am not mistaken, this looks to be the "flexible hose" /gearbox cushdrive That would have been addressed along with the "sliding dogs" of the gearbox recall.

Seems no reason to disassemble this (?)

[Pressureangle]

3 minutes ago, docc said:

If I am not mistaken, this looks to be the "flexible hose" /gearbox cushdrive That would have been addressed along with the "sliding dogs" of the gearbox recall.

Seems no reason to disassemble this (?)

The output bearing, last thing before the shaft splines, needs replacement. To get at it, the shaft has to be pulled out to the rear through the bearing, and for that to happen the spring pack has to come off- which is held in place with a hard-to-get snap ring, and then the spiral gear and bearing race have to come off for the whole thing to slide out. 

Meh.

[docc]

2 hours ago, Pressureangle said:

Now on to the stranger danger- 
This looks like special tools, presses, windowed collars, and heat to me. Anyone?

Calling @andy york .  .  .  .         

[Pressureangle]

5 minutes ago, docc said:

Calling @andy york .  .  .  .         

Wuzzat stuff? Italian everclear? 

I just ordered an inductive heat gun, something I've wanted for a long time but oooo, so much moola. 
 

[docc]

1 minute ago, Pressureangle said:

Wuzzat stuff? Italian everclear? 

I just ordered an inductive heat gun, something I've wanted for a long time but oooo, so much moola. 
 

Wuzzat?