dlaing Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Although I voted for Doctor, there are certainly DOCCs and MDs that also practice Massage and Witch Doctory. Massage therapists and Witch Doctors often undertake extensive medical training and some of them have as much medical knowledge as the average MD, although usually in the more alternative fields. Conventional medicine has been moving more in the direction of hippy medicine. More and more MDs have moved cross discipline and become DOCC and acupuncture. There is more concern today than thirty years ago for prescription drug abuse, preventative medicine, (w)holistic healing, and nutrition. Today's medical boards date back to a time where there was no anti-biotics and the techniques that were used, if used today, would be considered quackery. Those medical boards served to seperate the MDs from all the alternatives, some of which were charlatans. Many Alternative medicines have been around alot longer than "MD" medicine. Many of the patented drugs on the market are just synthetic or chemically isolated versions of the herbs. Nothing sells better than a pill. Websites like http://www.quackwatch.com are part of great money making conspiracy and are do not rely on True science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nogbad Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Websites like http://www.quackwatch.com are part of great money making conspiracy and are do not rely on True science. 77920[/snapback] Take this where it belongs - the Global Warming thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeBenGuzzi Posted February 9, 2006 Author Share Posted February 9, 2006 I DO believe chriopractors do a good service and goto school for a long time. What I was getting at was the appauling amount of shiesters I've heard of in my area (no one told me they were but what they were told when visited was not reassuring) where as one DoC told my wifes best friend there is something wrong with her ovaries and should come back in for more appointments to work it out, first of all ovaries are on the front and very passive organs how can some back rubbin figure this out (he did no other tests or examinations just a back crackin) or the couple last night that told me anything can be cured by either preventative measures of visiting a DoC or cure anything through the alignment of the spine(they were DEAD serious) and have had no vaccinations or shots of anykind I believe in the healing powers of many things, accupuncter, aroma therapy, meditation. The only thing that gets my motor running is when so many DoC of ill reput try to become part of the main stream MD's I say they are just fine on the outskirts with the dentist, Nutritionist(who swear eating right can cure almost anything) and certain types of pediatrists (WHOM many believe and preach anything can be cured from a foot massage.) I say if any of these worked as real cures to severe ailments then most everyone would use them. I am highly against using Chiro procedures on children thier bones and joints aren't fully formed and the implications of said actions could be highly unsatisfactory. I have a theory that the first person to use Chiro cracked his back and said DAMN that feels good, how can I make money on it? Ah ha call it medicine sell it like snake oil. without going too far I believe adjustments are a good thing if you have a pinched nerve or sore muscle ligament but bones have very little to do with circulation or muscle pain. I would see a massage therapist for muscle pains and take some relaxers for spasms. Cracking joints helping the immune system baffels me as well I understand blood is produced in the marrow but how does the marrow in the center of the bone have anything to do with the joints themselves, maybe the pressure of the air in the joint affects the nerves but that air doesn't just "go away" by cracking. brings me back now to the fact I Can't wrap my fragile little mind around how a chiropractor is in anyway medically beneficial to muscle or pain relief unless it is associated with a tight or pinched nerve that message or common sence wouldn't help, and if nerves isn't your case then by constantly going to the chiro you achomplish nothing. No amount of training is a substitute to athentic scientific/medical method. psychoanalyst goto school for 8 years after grad school and I still think of them as quackery. I agree with the statement that Quacks are all around us and know no professional or social limitations. If I had what I thought was a valid reason to see a chiropractor I would see one, but in honesty I've seen many people that probably have nothing wrong with them but verge on the level of hypocondriac that something is always wrong with them and Chiros are like car salesmen they usualy make it easy to come in and make more appointments whenever I goto the doctor is a helluva hassle to get anywhere I need to go. I had ear surgery a few years ago and each time I needed to see the specialist I think I had to see a regular "stupid" doc first and demand a referral. In my personal experience chrio's come off like Jahovas Witnesses, preachy and trying to sell you something. and I don't like to be sold on anything I preferre to research it and draw my own conclusions then give it a try if I so choose. but thats just me and no one ever said I was smart so maybe I don't actually know anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchbob Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Take this where it belongs - the Global Warming thread! 77935[/snapback] We're down to mooses and pirates, now, on the GW thread. This is fresh stuff. I like it. We could use it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzirider Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Those nice ladies that give you massage in Thailand- are they doctors too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchbob Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Those nice ladies that give you massage in Thailand- are they doctors too? 77958[/snapback] No, they're something else. A good clue is they don't have framed certificates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeBenGuzzi Posted February 9, 2006 Author Share Posted February 9, 2006 No, they're something else. A good clue is they don't have framed certificates. 77960[/snapback] some do, they say "clean bill of health" I'm sure they're all outdated or forged tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzirider Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Mine said "Pick me, me clean, me luv you long time, f*cky sucky 10 dorrars" Sounds like medical jargon to me. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchbob Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Mine said "Pick me, me clean, me luv you long time, f*cky sucky 10 dorrars" Guy 77968[/snapback] What more d'you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badmotogoozer Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 What more d'you want? 77970[/snapback] I want that kind of treatment available at my local clinic. Thailand's a long way to go to spend ten bucks... Rj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeBenGuzzi Posted February 9, 2006 Author Share Posted February 9, 2006 Mine said "Pick me, me clean, me luv you long time, f*cky sucky 10 dorrars" Sounds like medical jargon to me. Guy 77968[/snapback] I think its the nature of most threads to completely deteriorate after the first page unless a couple ppl get into an argument then it goes on for weeks and volumes. but usualy the downward spiral is better than the bickerin. the new chiropracty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzirider Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 I have noticed the deterioration of moral standards on this forum the longer the winter goes on. At least my gimp mask keeps me warm this time of year. Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldButNotDead Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 No amount of training is a substitute to athentic scientific/medical method. psychoanalyst goto school for 8 years after grad school and I still think of them as quackery. In my personal experience chrio's come off like Jahovas Witnesses, preachy and trying to sell you something. and I don't like to be sold on anything I preferre to research it and draw my own conclusions then give it a try if I so choose. but thats just me and no one ever said I was smart so maybe I don't actually know anything. 77940[/snapback] It would be great if more physicians had better science training, but in my experience...not so much (at least in the U.S.). The history of western medicine is littered with insane "treaments" unfettered by controlled studies of human biology. I've also been turned off by the hucksterism provided by some of my chiros (in place of sound theory or evidence). Many physicians play this same game, but their profession has been entrenched for so long that they don't usually worry if their authority is grounded. I think Chiros preach at you partly because no one knows quite why their methods can be effective, and partly because they're fighting the American Medical Association lobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeBenGuzzi Posted February 9, 2006 Author Share Posted February 9, 2006 ugh, cabin feva the only cure is more cow bell powered: vintage: overkill cowbell: babybell: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchbob Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 ugh, cabin feva the only cure is more cow bell powered: vintage: overkill cowbell: babybell: 77980[/snapback] What are you taking, Ben? Can you send me some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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