Thanks, that's sort of what I remember ... I should try to find the source for that statement, and whether it's still their mantra. I guess that unless their position changes, the Oberdan renders will remain just renders. I see the sense in it, in that the Guzzi twin is probably not a competitive engine design for a modern racing application, and the image of the Guzzi crowd is Eldorado-ean in any case (and Ante-diluvian, but I am dating myself here ) but hey, us V11 guys are supposed to be the sporty ones, right? Rebels with a lost cause I guess...