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The clutch switch will account for non-starting , but not rough running. The run current goes to the run switch through the side stand switch.

george, Thanks for the tip. Actually, we stayed at the Super8 there year one. It was pretty entertaining once we found out it was the weekend haven for all the cowboys and their hussies from neighboring counties! Another rider suggested the Grand Vista near Vonore: tellicowest.com

The charts are on the last page of section P.

Looks like, in terms of wattage the system uses around 150 watts with around 300 available in typical cruise ranges. You cruise at "1500?"

Ha! We know we're old f**kerz. We keep lookin' at the same b'zooms agin an' agin.

Ry, This is true. There is no spec for what the bike draws to live. I pulled that number from a prior thread ("Battery Leaks", I believe; a great thread due to the contributions of GARY CHEEK). I would still like to know what the normal current draw is for a running V11. It may vary for the later model fuel pump, I dunno. Most accessories are rated by amperage. I edited my specs on Gerbing gloves as they are rated 22 watts, the jacket: 77 watts. The Gerbings vest: 54 watts. Aerostich says their vest is 45 watts. Widder (in the Whitehorse Press) states their vest ranges by size: 33 to 48 watts. I recall heated grips being 16-18 watts(?). The change in amperage with voltage is one of those scientific slide rule phenomena that kept me out of engineering. I figure the "acid test" is to plug up the electrics you want to use, set your lamps the way you use them , turn on your GPS and Radar detector if you use them, cue the Bluetooth and the MP3, your transponder, transporter and any other electrofunk and zap that you routingly use, then measure the voltage and rpm that will hold above 12.84 DCv for the AGM battery. I'm finding 100 watts makes my Sport unhappy( as in,"come get me, Honey, the bike's dead.") I'm thinking of getting the Aerostich vest at 45 watts and go for the core temperature effect. No matter what ( hey, I live in th' Deep South), 40 degrees F is my riding limit. Below that too many Deutsche und Skandinavian cars give ice warnings (either 38*F or 36*F). I don't want to be there on my Pirellis even if my sorry p'toot is all warm and cozy.

I see my owner's manual also specifies 350 watts @ 5,000 rpm. From the chart now I can take 26 DC amps, @ 5,000 rpm, times the voltage allowed by the regulator at full charge (13.5 DCv) giving almost exactly 350 watts. I'll have to try riding at 5000 rpm (not easy unless all freeway) and check for discharge. It is also time to clean and put copper paste on the regulator ground strap to the case and all the ground terminals on the battery end. Really a full 350 watt charge should support the bikes electrical system ( maybe 170 watts), a hot bulb ( add maybe 40 watts) and 99 watts of electric clothing ( Gerbings vest and gloves): totalling 310 watts. Even with a 10% error that's 340 watts. Sounds like the trick is keeping the revs at 5000 rpm! A thermocontroller or timing circuit would help , but the high revs are surely the key.

Those charts are posted on the forum somewhere. I don't recall any change to the alternator over the year ranges. Certainly the voltages and charging behavior are consistent with the lower output shown in the printed manual's charts. Of course, I also have some Guzzi material that says I have White Power suspension and a 5.8 gallon tank. EDIT: After a brisk 40 mile ride yesterday, my Hawker was holding 12.84v. I'm anxious to see what it looks like after sitting overnight. Edit/EDIT: 12.80 after sitting overnight. (I've never had an AGM battery drop off at all. It don't make me happy.

See the thread on Charging System and heated clothing I wish I could run my Gerbings without abandon, but no . . .

This comes up about this time every year. Again, I thought it needed a thread of its own. There have been concerns that the V11 charging system isn't up to lot of extra load. While promotional materials tout a 350 watt alternator, the shop manual charts indicate this output is at 10,000 rpm. I've done some quick and dirty voltage readings in the driveway with the Gerbings. Attached is the table of results. No question there are lots of variables here: state of charge ( looks like my Hawker doesn't hold its 12.84v as well as the original"Spark" unit), ambient temperature, engine temperature, 50000 miles on the alternator, and so on. Surely your results will vary. Yet, I think there are some conclusions to be drawn. First, I don't suppose my Sport has 99 watts to spare for my cozy warmth unless I'm cruising the freeway at 4500-5000 rpm. I've tried to cruise around the backroads at rpm over 4000 and it just isn't consistent. The battery runs down. Second, it would sure be attractive to have a replacement hi output alternator available. Seems like something about a tapered shaft has kept us out of the aftermarket. Your comments? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2000 V11 Sport, 50000 miles, Hawker Odyssey PC545, PIAA H4* Gerbings jacket (77 watts), Gerbings gloves (22 watts) STATUS / DC V(hi beam) / RPM @ 12.84 v(hi beam*) cold / 12.73 Idle 1500 indicated* /12.32 / 1900 Idle(gloves) / 12.20 / 2100 Idle(jacket) / 12.07 3300 Idle(both) / 11.97 / 4000 3000 rpm / 13.40 3000(gloves) / 13.27 3000(jacket) / 12.50 3000(both) / 12.35 *notes: I always ride with the hi beam on. The bulb is a PIAA Extreme White anitvibration hi-zoot $50 job that says

I just finishing putting a red vinyl teardrop down the back of my tank to cover a belt buckle gouge under the tank bag strap. Not happy, but, I think 50,000 miles . . .

I seem to recall the grips draw a little more than half the gloves' 33 watts. (Gerbings) The shop manual shows both a table and a chart on page P34 which shows output of 23.50 D.C.Amps (282 watts) at 3000 rpm, 27.50 D.C.Amps (330 watts) at 10,000 rpm. Cruising at 10,000 so you can stay toasty may be a bad idea.

Hoping against the regulator, try to find the two yellow bullet connectors near the back of the oil cooler on the right side. Separate, clean with contact cleaner, apply copper antiseize and seal with heatshrink. Checking, cleaning, tightening and lubricating all the visible connections is good juju on your Guzzi.

Sounds like the rehab on your super model is on its way! Definitely take your warranty period as the time to have your dealer help you sort the bike as much as possible. The issues are manageable and you'll end up with a fine and well sorted companion. Many have removed the entire evap system with no ill effects. In fact, it saves weight (5 pounds on an early Sport) and has other good effects reported. There is debate whether to plug the manifolds with rubber nipples or use washered fasteners. I can't imagine who any of the pirates might be that would modify their equipment in such a way (nor would I be at liberty to discuss such an operation if it were to have existed).

It's a 2000 Sport? There is a bevel drive on the gearbox below the right throttle body that is known to come apart. Make sure there is not a lot of brass showing above the knurled knob. It can be removed and pressed back together. How many miles on the bike?

It's probably not that bad. Start with checking the voltage and making sure the battery connections are tight. Check the relays and all fuses and visible connections. Open the run switch and clean it with contact cleaner. After that you may have to pull the tank to get to some other connections. Can you hear the pump whir when you turn the bike on?

I like my Gerbings gloves (33 watts) but found they were too much for the electrics with the jacket (77 watts). The alternator is rated for 350, but at 10,000 rpm! It make more like 250 at typical cruise speeds and may have 50 or 60 available for accessories. But 5wt oil in aGuzzi? I dunno . . .

Dlaing, Ryland: Thanks for taking the time to see this through while patiently considering all the input and comments.

The Ohlins for the V11 is , apparently, "no longer available."

Should the engine be at operating temperature for the throttle body balancing?

With a vacuum meter ( mercury sticks or such), doesn't the running motor become a flow meter? I can't imagine not balancing the throttle bodies.

I thought the yellow paint was to help us find all the points of adjustment. Check out the TPS thread. You can probably do this yourself . . .

Why would we specify mV +/- "5" in paragraph one then recommend fine tuning (so to speak) in paragraph 4 of "15" mV? Seems like it should be the other way round. Also, shouldn't there be a recommendation for valve adjustment as a first step?

No outstanding warrants? I hear Phillip's is a good place for motorcyclists, yet I'm still thinking there may be a better place. Especially if the group expands again. Input from the North Carolina and East Tennessee members is most respected. . .

Voices of reason rise above the din . . . ah, the 'sweet spot' . . .I could ride on forever . . .