What did you do to your V11 today?

[audiomick]

33 minutes ago, Pressureangle said:

.... Music isn't sensible. ...

I beg to differ. The "rules" of western tonal music adhere to strict rules that are based in physics. Believe me, I have a Bachelor degree in music with a focus on 20th century music. 

Quite apart from that, it seems to me a paradox that the U.S.A. staged an heroic revolution to release themselves from the yoke of british imperialism, but didn't go the whole 9.144 metres and adopt the much more logical and sensible system that was proposed in France about a century earlier, and finalised about the same time as the revolution.  

 

PS: Australia is still nominally a "British Colony", but the sensible system of measurement was adopted about the end of the '60s, when I was about 7 years old. 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 10:34 PM by audiomick

[docc]

17 minutes ago, audiomick said:

I beg to differ. The "rules" of western tonal music adhere to strict rules that are based in physics. Believe me, I have a Bachelor degree in music with a focus on 20th century music. 

Quite apart from that, it seems to me a paradox that the U.S.A. staged an heroic revolution to release themselves from the yoke of british imperialism, but didn't go the whole 9.144 metres and adopt the much more logical and sensible system that was proposed in France about a century earlier, and finalised about the same time as the revolution.  

 

PS: Australia is still nominally a "British Colony", but the sensible system of measurement was adopted about the end of the '60s, when I was about 7 years old. 

 

 

Haha - yeah, "music is just A-B-C-D-E-F-G" as some smartaxx musician once told me.

But, like, NEVER in that order. I thought neurophysiology was complicated.

Until I picked up string instruments.

   

[fotoguzzi]

I like how these guys follow “The "rules" of western tonal music”

 

[audiomick]

24 minutes ago, fotoguzzi said:

I like how these guys follow “The "rules" of western tonal music”

 

Well, you may find it hard to believe, but Zappa was always radical, adventurous, experimental, brilliant, but strictly tonal. 

If you want atonal, try this. And that is not his most radical piece.  :

There are also things like this

And Schönberg was a pioneer, but he was not alone. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:21 PM by audiomick

[docc]

4 minutes ago, audiomick said:

Well, you may find it hard to believe, but Zappa was always radical, adventurous, experimental, brilliant, but strictly tonal. 

If you want atonal, try this. And that is not his most radical piece.  :

There are also things like this

 

I don't read music, but I see a lot "whip-chow" . . .

[audiomick]

1 minute ago, docc said:

I don't read music...

Why not? If you can deal with Guzzi electrics, reading music should be easy as pie. 

[Pressureangle]

56 minutes ago, audiomick said:

Well, you may find it hard to believe, but Zappa was always radical, adventurous, experimental, brilliant, but strictly tonal. 

If you want atonal, try this. And that is not his most radical piece.  :

There are also things like this

And Schönberg was a pioneer, but he was not alone. 

These pieces prove my point. They're still called 'music'.

Absolutely Horrid.

[docc]

1 hour ago, audiomick said:

Why not? If you can deal with Guzzi electrics, reading music should be easy as pie. 

 

16 minutes ago, Pressureangle said:

These pieces prove my point. They're still called 'music'.

Absolutely Horrid.

There is such a thing as horrid pie .  .  . 

[fotoguzzi]

Google does not agree that Zappa was strictly tonal:

• "Burnt Weeny Sandwich": 

  The album includes atonal pieces like "Igor's Boogie" and "Kung Fu," which is a 1960s example of his use of atonal music. “

   

  some of his orchestral compositions also include atonality

   

  my favorite Atonalist has to be Sun Ra… saw him with the Arkestra at Norma Jeans night club in the early 80’s.. best music I’ve ever witnessed live.

[audiomick]

A brief excurse back to the V11: today I made a tool. On the way home it occurred to me that I now know what I wanted to measure, and may well never need the tool again. Still, making it and seeing that the idea worked was satisfying. 

Anyway, this is it:

Using that, and cross-checking for plausibility with the vernier caliper, which can do depth measurements, I was able to establish that the old timing sensor is more or less the same length as the new one, i.e. 30 mm.

The distance from the seating surface to the toothed wheel is 29 mm, and the sensor had two 1mm shims fitted. So the gap was 1mm (verified by holding the sensor against the tool and sticking a feeler gauge in between).

That is, according to what someone further up quoted from the good book, within spec. Nevertheless, I'll try and get a 0.7mm shim to get it down to around 0.7mm.

PS: I was a little disappointed. I had kind of hoped that the sensort would be deformed and the gap far too much. That would have offered an explanation (maybe) for the poor running. 

[Tomchri]

And a square head edt, easy and fast to use.
Cheers Tom.

Sent fra min SM-S906B via Tapatalk

[audiomick]

Tom, that is very pretty, but I don't have the machines to make something like that. 

Fortunately, one of the blokes that shares the garage with me bought a drill press a while back. With that, I can drill holes in bits of metal that go really straight through. The rest of it was done with hand tools.

I also liked the idea of a tool that can be screwed on to where the sensor sits. A bit of a fiddle to get it on and off, but security that it is really sitting where the measurement is to be made.

Whatever, I'm happy with the result. Others have "better" tools for the job, but mine does it well too. 

[Pressureangle]

It's hard to see clearly, but it looks like your sensor has a little bit of bulge in the center. When mine failed, it was so bulged there that it was hard to pry out. Consider.
I bench tested mine simply by checking resistance while cold, heating it with a heat gun (shop hair dryer) and checking with an IR heat gun. When the sensor got to about 170*F, it opened. Measured ok again when cool a couple times. 

[audiomick]

9 minutes ago, Pressureangle said:

It's hard to see clearly, but it looks like your sensor has a little bit of bulge in the center. 

Yeah, I think it has a bit of a bulge. I have a replacement, so I will most likely just replace it. Might test it, but the power in the garage is photovoltaic, and doesn't have enough bumps (German word...) to power the hot air blower. Maybe I'll have a look at it at home in the kitchen when the girlfriend is at work. 

Edited 6 hours ago by audiomick

[gstallons]

3 hours ago, audiomick said:

A brief excurse back to the V11: today I made a tool. On the way home it occurred to me that I now know what I wanted to measure, and may well never need the tool again. Still, making it and seeing that the idea worked was satisfying. 

Anyway, this is it:

Using that, and cross-checking for plausibility with the vernier caliper, which can do depth measurements, I was able to establish that the old timing sensor is more or less the same length as the new one, i.e. 30 mm.

The distance from the seating surface to the toothed wheel is 29 mm, and the sensor had two 1mm shims fitted. So the gap was 1mm (verified by holding the sensor against the tool and sticking a feeler gauge in between).

That is, according to what someone further up quoted from the good book, within spec. Nevertheless, I'll try and get a 0.7mm shim to get it down to around 0.7mm.

PS: I was a little disappointed. I had kind of hoped that the sensort would be deformed and the gap far too much. That would have offered an explanation (maybe) for the poor running. 

I assume you got one tooth at TDC in relation to the centerline of the sensor ?