MGV Guzzi on Bike Exif

[4corsa]

This is quite the project with an impressive long list of work. At $51k, it's also the most expensive Guzzi I've ever seen. Displacement is listed at 1105cc, which made me wonder if it started out as a V11, and he bored the cylinders to bump it up from the stock 1064cc. Then I realized Bellagio is mentioned in the link (I'm not familiar with that model). 

https://shop.bikeexif.com/products/2020-moto-guzzi-bellagio-by-dreamermotorcycle?omhide=true

 

 

[po18guy]

It's a later frame, single side swingarm, so probably Bellagio. You could get one of the few MGS-01s out there for that much. Not street legal, but....

A dealership in Seattle had a new in the crate MGS-01 maybe 2 years ago. Was asking 49K.

[audiomick]

2 hours ago, 4corsa said:

... Then I realized Bellagio is mentioned in the link (I'm not familiar with that model).

Where did you see Bellagio on the linked page? I couldn't find it.

 

Never mind, I think that could well be the basis.

The Bellagio was a sort of soft chopper with a 940cc motor.

https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/moto guzzi/moto_guzzi_Bellagio 07.htm

It seems, however, to be a fairly popular basis for rebuilds. There have been maybe half a dozen of them reported on the German forum I'm on. Maybe the popularity comes from the combination of what is essentially still a Tonti frame with the CARC swingarm.

Drawing of the frame here on page 114, which seems to be consistent with the visible parts of the frame in the photos in the linked page.

https://guzzitek.org/parts_list/gb/940/Bellagio_PL_Compil.pdf

 

Still, if it was a Bellagio, they've either bored and stroked the motor massively, or put a completely different motor in there.

[4corsa]

"bellagio" appears within the blue link script, that was my only clue.

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[audiomick]

1 minute ago, 4corsa said:

"bellagio" appears within the blue link script, that was my only clue.

Ah, thanks. Didn't notice that. 

So it's a Bellagio frame and swingarm, but by the sound of it not much more that is original.

And it's quite pretty, I reckon.

[pete roper]

You never got the Bellagio un the USA. Your loss as they have a lot going for them. They were all, from the get-go, a sort of parts bin special. Sort of like a Tonti at the front and Cark bike at the back. A sort of ‘Mullet’ motorbike!

The strange thing is that they chose to stick the ‘Flaccid Whale Penis’ tank off the Cali 1100 on it along with high risers and pull back bars. It also used an odd combination of the W5AM controller and the earlier Cali type throttlebodies and linkages.

What makes a Bellagio fantastic though is that 940cc motor. It is, without a doubt, the best 2V big block ever made! It is the shortest stroke of any big block ever made and despite being adequately torquey at the bottom is an insane rev-hound that is happiest bouncing off the rev limiter! The complete opposite of what you’d expect in something designed to look like a ‘Cruiser’/Bar-Hopper. Couple that with the earlier 3 shaft six speed and you’re on to a winner. Over here they are holding their price extremely well but I think a lot of that is down to their more ‘Traditional’ styling to most of the CARC series.

Several people I know, and several I don’t, have ‘Cafe’d’ Bellagios. The usual way is to mount a V7 tank and add clip-ons. This version seems to have had the wonderful Bellagio motor swapped out for a Griso/Breva 1100 motor, a mistake in my opinion. It also has the completely unnecessary oil cooler retained and stuck up under the steering head. What would be interesting to know is how they mounted the alternator? All of the CARC series bar the Bellagio use the high-mount 600W alternator that sits in the valley of the motor. The crank doesn’t have the ‘Nose’ for mounting the Ducati alternator. Either it is using a V11/Cali1100 crank or they’ve built an adaptor.

Not my style of bike, but interesting.

[p6x]

In the same verve, someone is selling a modified Griso for 23K EUR. His name is "Fulvio", just in case you missed it...

[audiomick]

Not to my taste. Too much bling.

[4corsa]

1 hour ago, pete roper said:

You never got the Bellagio un the USA. Your loss as they have a lot going for them. They were all, from the get-go, a sort of parts bin special. Sort of like a Tonti at the front and Cark bike at the back. A sort of ‘Mullet’ motorbike!

The strange thing is that they chose to stick the ‘Flaccid Whale Penis’ tank off the Cali 1100 on it along with high risers and pull back bars. It also used an odd combination of the W5AM controller and the earlier Cali type throttlebodies and linkages.

What makes a Bellagio fantastic though is that 940cc motor. It is, without a doubt, the best 2V big block ever made! It is the shortest stroke of any big block ever made and despite being adequately torquey at the bottom is an insane rev-hound that is happiest bouncing off the rev limiter! The complete opposite of what you’d expect in something designed to look like a ‘Cruiser’/Bar-Hopper. Couple that with the earlier 3 shaft six speed and you’re on to a winner. Over here they are holding their price extremely well but I think a lot of that is down to their more ‘Traditional’ styling to most of the CARC series.

Several people I know, and several I don’t, have ‘Cafe’d’ Bellagios. The usual way is to mount a V7 tank and add clip-ons. This version seems to have had the wonderful Bellagio motor swapped out for a Griso/Breva 1100 motor, a mistake in my opinion. It also has the completely unnecessary oil cooler retained and stuck up under the steering head. What would be interesting to know is how they mounted the alternator? All of the CARC series bar the Bellagio use the high-mount 600W alternator that sits in the valley of the motor. The crank doesn’t have the ‘Nose’ for mounting the Ducati alternator. Either it is using a V11/Cali1100 crank or they’ve built an adaptor.

Not my style of bike, but interesting.

Bore & stroke of 95x66, that's getting close to Ducati over-square ratio territory.

[pete roper]

10 hours ago, p6x said:

In the same verve, someone is selling a modified Griso for 23K EUR. His name is "Fulvio", just in case you missed it...

I think Fulvio’s bike is as ugly as a hat full of farty arseholes.

No doubt it produces some improbable amount of HP as well.

MTPGA!

(Make these people go away.)

[Admin Jaap]

Agreed, butt ugly! 

The Griso Zero is still the best looking Guzzi in a long time!

[gstallons]

Most of the time you cannot stray from the original design and improve a MG . It usually looks stupid .

 It is EXTREMELY rare that a modified (personalized) MG can pull it off and look great ! these three bikes do it . 

[pete roper]

1 hour ago, Admin Jaap said:

Agreed, butt ugly! 

The Griso Zero is still the best looking Guzzi in a long time!

To my mind similarly hideous.

[p6x]

Fulvio has Moto Guzzi coveralls.

Maybe he is a retired Moto Guzzi employee?

Someone forgot to tell him that if you personalize your motorcycle, to the extent of permanently immortalizing it with your name in multiple places, it may become difficult to sell...

But what do I know....

Edited 19 hours ago by p6x

[4corsa]

1 hour ago, gstallons said:

Most of the time you cannot stray from the original design and improve a MG . It usually looks stupid .

 It is EXTREMELY rare that a modified (personalized) MG can pull it off and look great ! these three bikes do it . 

...i don't know, I tend to come across some nice Guzzi customs with some frequency. And everything that comes out of Kaffemaschine's shop in Germany is fabulous.