docc Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 Are there any Guareschi bikes in that livery before the V11 Coppa Italia? Or did Guareschi adopt the scheme from the 2004 V11 Coppa Italia?
Randy Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, docc said: Searching, then, for images of Guareschi V11 entry in this race series for 2003 . . . "Gianfranco Guareschi on a V11 Scura (featuring a striking red livery;" Here is another 2003 article from Anima Gussista: http://archivio.animaguzzista.com/page_builder.php?filebody=saloni_eventi/C_I_Naked_2003/Misano/MisanoRace.htm&fileindex=saloni_eventi/C_I_Naked_2003/C_I_Naked_2003_index.txt Looks like he patterned the 2007 bike after the Coppa lol. We've circled around. 1 1
po18guy Posted August 26 Posted August 26 20 hours ago, audiomick said: PS: I like the way the bikes in the second and third picture in @docc's post are, in the absence of a side or centre stand, parked up against whatever happened to be there. Very pragmatic, perhaps even very Italian. To achieve some semblance of lightness, big chunks must be removed - wherever they may be found. 1
docc Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 4 hours ago, po18guy said: To achieve some semblance of lightness, big chunks must be removed - wherever they may be found. Who are ya callin' a "big chunk?" I'm sittin' right here and can hear what yer sayin' . . . 3
po18guy Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, docc said: Who are ya callin' a "big chunk?" I'm sittin' right here and can hear what yer sayin' . . . Ha! Well, things like transmission, battery, starter, shaft, etc. it gets complicated. I really admire the cafe builders who get the bike's curb weight down into the 400s. But their styling taste often leaves something to be desired. Edited August 27 by po18guy 2
docc Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 I found it interesting this racer still has the starter cover . . . 3
Pressureangle Posted August 27 Posted August 27 5 hours ago, docc said: I found it interesting this racer still has the starter cover . . . The 'production' class H-D 883s were fine examples of CHEATING lol Nobody seemed to think twice if you got a push start, so the fast guys gutted the starters and fitted tiny batteries in the stock case. Removed half the magnets from the generator rotor, shaved the inside of the flywheels where it couldn't be seen without splitting the cases, shaved the inside of the rims where it couldn't be seen with the tires on... All stuff I learned after the class ended, of course. Starter cover weighs nothing, and...appears unmeddled. 2 2
docc Posted August 31 Author Posted August 31 On 8/26/2025 at 1:38 PM, docc said: Are there any Guareschi bikes in that livery before the V11 Coppa Italia? Or did Guareschi adopt the scheme from the 2004 V11 Coppa Italia? I can't find any images of Guareschi race bikes or other models that resemble the V11 Coppa Italia livery until after the V11 Coppa Italia was released . . . I'm assigning this query to @footgoose. 1
footgoose Posted August 31 Posted August 31 it can be a challenge to get the question right I asked - Moto Guzzi released a model called V11 Coppa Italia in 2003 - 2005. What are the origins of the Coppa Italia designation and livery, and were there any other motorcycles with that name prior to it's release? The "Coppa Italia" designation for the Moto Guzzi V11 model originates from the FMI Coppa Italia, an Italian national-level motorcycle roadracing championship organized by the Federazione Motociclistica Italiana (FMI). This series, which ran under that name from 2001 to 2013, focused on production-derived bikes and included categories such as naked/roadster classes; it evolved from the earlier Campionato Italiano Sport Production (1984–2000) and served as a development platform for riders. Moto Guzzi's participation in the 2003 Italian Naked Bike Championship (also referred to as the Roadster Cup or Italian Cup roadracing) directly inspired the model's name, commemorating the brand's competitive efforts and success in that event during a period when the V11 series represented their push into sportier roadsters. The release also aligned with celebrations around Moto Guzzi's 80th anniversary (founded in 1921), blending racing heritage with the company's historical roots in Italian motorsport. The livery features a patriotic color scheme in red, white, and green—representing the Italian flag—to evoke national pride and tie into the championship's Italian identity, with a classic, compact design emphasizing the bike's racing-inspired aesthetics. No earlier motorcycles carried the "Coppa Italia" name prior to the V11 model's release in 2003; historical reviews of Moto Guzzi's lineup (including models like the Normale, GT Tour, Condor, and Dondolino) and broader searches for similar designations show no precedents. looks like it pulled info from only a few sources, one of which was V11.com I'd like to see and compare other AI platform results if anyone has access to a different one 1
docc Posted August 31 Author Posted August 31 Since none of the V11 in that racing series had the tricolore livery featured on the V11 Coppa Italia, it appears the Guareschi adopted the livery after the V11 Coppa Italia. All of the Guareschi bikes I see before the 2004 V11 Coppa Italia are red, or various other motifs. When was the first "tricolore" themed Guareschi Moto Guzzi?
footgoose Posted August 31 Posted August 31 posed your question. The first "tricolore" themed Guareschi Moto Guzzi was the MGS-01 Corsa raced by Gianfranco Guareschi at Daytona in 2007. For this event, the bike featured a special livery with the Italian flag colors (green, white, red) on the left side and the American flag on the right side. viewed 75 web pages, cited 3 sources, one of them us. can you provide an image of this motorcycle? Not an accurate image as is typical of AI, at least Grok 2 2
docc Posted August 31 Author Posted August 31 3 hours ago, footgoose said: posed your question. The first "tricolore" themed Guareschi Moto Guzzi was the MGS-01 Corsa raced by Gianfranco Guareschi at Daytona in 2007. For this event, the bike featured a special livery with the Italian flag colors (green, white, red) on the left side and the American flag on the right side. viewed 75 web pages, cited 3 sources, one of them us. can you provide an image of this motorcycle? Not an accurate image as is typical of AI, at least Grok MOTO.IT suggests the 2007 Guareschi racer looked like this: At least we know which came first: 4
Pressureangle Posted August 31 Posted August 31 Is an MGS-01 a Spine Frame? 'cuz I'd like to bring one to the SSR. 1 1 1
docc Posted September 1 Author Posted September 1 1 hour ago, Pressureangle said: Is an MGS-01 a Spine Frame? 'cuz I'd like to bring one to the SSR. Oh, yes, indeed! Curiously, though, the swingarm attaches directly to a machined rear gearbox plate (same 6speeder as our V11); no Frame Side Plates. And, by all means, bring it!! 1 1
Pressureangle Posted September 1 Posted September 1 10 hours ago, docc said: Oh, yes, indeed! Curiously, though, the swingarm attaches directly to a machined rear gearbox plate (same 6speeder as our V11); no Frame Side Plates. And, by all means, bring it!! There's the logistical problem of not actually having one. 1 4
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