pete roper

The 'Fabled' power wheelie is fucking effortless on that thing. In first or second. If I play my cards right I can do the same in first on my Griso with at least +15 hp and more torque everywhere. I can clutch the G up in second and even third with serious abuse but I don't do that shit much any more. The Mighty Scura would pop up with no clutch in either of the lower two and not much more than a stroke in third if approached in anger. It is a stupidly, stupidly fun motorbike. If I ever get back to the US I'd be willing to beg the current owner for a short ride just to get that shit-eating grin again! Blasting across the west Texas deserts with Sean on his Coppa with the tacho showing 7,000 for hours was a blast. Even though it was hotter than hades and when we stopped for fuel we'd fill our riding gear with ice to cool down. By the time we stopped again two hours later we'd be bone dry again. Fabulous times.... Fabulous bike!

MG Cycle carry them I think. They will fit any squarefin head/rocker cover combination.

This is what I'm thinking too. It would hardly seem worth Piaggio dropping big coin developing an obsolete technology. I too won't be buying another IC bike, at least not new. In fact I've just put my Yamaha outfit up for sale as I want to buy an 8V Norge and I can't justify yet another toy! The rego and insurance is killing me! I like the CARC series, especially the 8V's. Norges over here are rare though and I don't know if we ever got any roller tappet Norges. If I can get a nice, clean, A kit bike though that'll see me out nicely. A true 'Luxo-Barge'!😂

I'll just C&P my response when this was posted on the Ghetto. Uncomfortable, impractical, noisy, missing a whole load of stuff required for legality in most markets to name just a few of its most immediate turn-offs for me. Another thing shared by so many of these CARC bike based 'Specials' that I think is an utter 'Fail' is the foreshortening of the rear of the bike. There is no denying that the 'Nuovo Six Speed' and CARC transmission is very long. This is one of the big contributors to the CARC series bikes enormous wheelbase and there is really pretty much nothing that can be done about it. On the GRiSO particularly the styling does a very good job of prettying the back end up and hiding that unfortunate visual impact. On this bike and most of the other 'Cafe Racer' or whatever you want to call them apparatuses a cut down frame and (Usually hideously uncomfortable looking!) solo seat simply exacerbate this visual discontinuity rendering the bike as ugly as a sack full of bashed crabs! Others may of course choose to differ but for me it just doesn't work.

Do remember that because of its limitations the 2V motor in the early Norges is handicapped a bit because of its 76HP power output. Don't get me wrong, it's plenty, but when you're trying to overtake and misjudge, even dropping two gears won't work miracles because the engine runs out of puff and pushing that huge fairing through the air takes a lot of energy. The bodywork on the 2V models is also fragile and stupidly complex and you really need to cut a hole in the LH lower to enable you to check the oil! Due to the factory stuffing up the top end on the early 8V's they are cursed by Internet paranoia. Certainly it was a huge screw up but from mid 2012 all motors had roller tappets and are as bulletproof as the 2V's but offer 22+ more HP in stock trim, easily increased to 100 with a decent map and more torque everywhere. The bodywork is much improved and more robust and they kindly put a 'Door' in the fairing to check the oil! As with all CARC bikes the swingarm bearings and shock linkages will need greasing and due to its big frontal area and fairing the steering head bearings will have probably taken a beating as well. Expect to have to change them out. Generally the CARC series bikes are very reliable once a few things have been taken care of. If you want more info? Feel free to PM me. I am the '8V Evangelist' but I don't sneer at the earlier 2V versions. Pete

Sorry, my mistake.

Evans over on the Ghetto is making some CARC protectors.

The V85 motor was launched with a lot of song and dance. It's a dry sump motor, (One presumes to combat the crankcase pressurisation issues as much as anything else.) has roller tappets and (Gasp!) Ti inlet valves. This is supposed to turn it from an obsolete, uninspiring, underpowered drossbucket into some sort of priapistic 85 HP monster! It isn't. It's a low 60's HP, overweight slug with poverty pack suspension and all the character of microwaved scrambled eggs. By all accounts they are selling like hot cakes! Obviously a lot of people desire a sort of unthreatening two wheeled blancmange as long as it has 'The full selection' of electronic gismodry to keep them *Entertained* as they ride. Thats fine. I'm glad people like them, I really am. I'd rather pour burning wasps up my arse than have anything to do with one! If they are going to build a version using the even more miserable V7-850 motor it will just be more disappointing and yawn-worthy than the current V85.

Last series carbureted Nevada. Few, if any motorcycles ever built have been uglier, more uninspiring and overweeningly drac, although the V85 comes close in my book. It really is an awful motorbike.

So another parts bin turd. Recipe for wonder. Take the second most awful bike to carry the Guzzi name in half a century and make it even worse! Outstanding!

Stock Nuovo 8V motor, any of the 1200's, makes 96RWHP in stock trim. The torque figure but was also optimistic. A well tuned and mapped one makes 'About 100' at the rear wheel and the torque is improved out of sight. Those figures were from a variety of bikes. All Dynoed on the same tool in similar conditions at 800 metres altitude. The old maxim that 'The Dyno doesn't lie' is patently false. There are many ways to get a dyno to tell you exactly what you want it to and since most people want "Moar Power!" That's what many dyno operators will tell people they've got. It's most vexing.

Ten years ago I would of been all over it like a rash. Now? Nope! I have Griso. Griso will see me out.

Can anybody really think of anything more embarrassing than wishing to have a 'Card' that has to be shown to indicate you are a member of a business sponsored advertising program called a 'Clan'? It is so monstrously cringeworthy it deserves a triple facepalm in a darkened room! Do these people have no dignity to loose? Just looking at the awful 'Presentations' used in early 'Clan' promotions made me feel soiled and my gorge rise. How dreadful can it possibly get?

Jason, if you need a kit I can probably supply cheaper than most and will be able to make sure you get the correct one. If you're interested PM me and I'll send you my email address. Oh, and I suggest you read this. https://www.grisoghetto.com/t5879-the-definitive-guide-to-rollerisation

Not seemingly with the ones I know of. The Stelvio's suspension is also longer travel and 'Plusher' than that used on the supposedly purely 'Road' models but it was Stelvios that had the breakages. Yes, it is thought that the stress raiser was from one of the hose clip holes. I've never been close enough to one that it's happened to to know, but it makes perfect sense. It's also one of the reasons I think fitting a sidecar to a CARC bike is a really silly idea but people do that as well.

As with so many things it seems to have hit Stelvios, and as I said, I know of four. In fact I sent a bloke in South Africa a swingarm when his bust because he was getting stonewalled by the importer. I know of two in Oz. Both of which were denied warranty because they had been 'Abused', (I have it on good authority that they weren't, in any way shape or form.) and the last one was in Canada and resulted in serious injury and it went to court. I do not know the outcome.

Yup, but I know of four cases of this issue, all from the same model run, in a period of twelve years. From memory it was one run of 2012 Stelvios but don't quote me on that. The factory, naturally, denied it. I keep an eye on this shit because I'm interested. I think the BMW issue was considerably more common. Nobody is perfect but the Bavarians are much worse than Guzzi.

Yeah you got truly stiffed. I got the only available Conti Road Attacks in the country, two sets, for just over a grand a couple of weeks ago. They're on the shelf waiting for me when I need them. I just don't get why some people feel the need to stiff others. It's a very short term strategy.

Admit it! You like it because you got charged $400 for it by a shill!

OK. I stand corrected.

All the 'Broad Sump' components are identical physically between the assorted bikes that use the system. As noted, the difference is simply the colour. Foto is offering a 'Try Before You Buy' deal on a part that hasn't been available for years ex factory. I'd grab it with both hands and be amazed that you have been kissed on the arse by a golden fairy!

The governing factors are going to be issues such as valve float and rod integrity rather than timing when talking about the cam drive.

It makes bleeding the clutch on CARC bikes a dream.

Why would the fuel boil? It’s nowhere near any heat source. A blocked tank vent causing pressurisation problems I can see but not boiling….