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You asked for obvious issues, and having just my replaced gauges, here are a few questions you might ask yourself during the planning phase. How will you mount the gauge(s)? Will one of their brackets bolt directly to something on the V11 - or will some fabrication be required? How will you produce a signal for the speedometer? What will you do with all the warning lights? Does the new gauge replace all the functions - or will you be stuck wondering where the put the stock lights you still want to use? Are the gauges waterproof? - especially important for a naked bike in the UK... Do you want an oil pressure gauge or voltmeter while you're at it? The thread Installing Speedhut Gauges shows where you can pick up power and signals from existing dash wires (it was nice to be able to re-use wires from the ITI units). I don't have much electrical experience, but I managed to get them to work by following the manufacturer's instructions and With a Little Help from My Friends.
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I removed the gauges and am sending them in for a re-do. I do regret getting the buttons on the faces and not getting the logos, but was willing to live with it. But I remained concerned about the size and accuracy of the oil pressure sender. Then I went for a night ride and the four white gauges were just too much (even though I did like them during the day). So I am going to copy Chamberlin's setup - imitation sometimes really is the most sincere form of flattery. The changes will cost me about $185 as follows: $90 is to upgrade to the better oil pressure gauge with smaller sender (this is just the difference in price between the two gauges; they are giving me full credit for the one I'm returning). The sender for the entry-level gauge just seems like too much weight at an angle on aluminum threads in the block - and the sender is apparently prone to problems. My first sender was bad. The technician didn't even question it, I guess they have had several problems with that sender. $40 is for options that I didn't originally choose: $10 each for remote buttons and $10 each for logos. The balance is for new faces, two of which need to be done anyway to get rid of the holes for the buttons. Rationalization alert: since I caught their 15% off sale in March, my total cost after re-do is about the same as I would have paid at any other time. This is how I make myself feel better... There are a lot of options that are not obvious during the ordering process. For example, you can get an inverter with a dimmer (to make the white gauges bearable at night). So, for anyone else considering Speedhut, try to talk with a technician before ordering. Let me just echo Roy's enthusiasm for Speedhut's flexibility. I'm amazed that they will take these back and re-work them. Only the oil gauge is a problem, the other changes are just my preferences. I can't think of another company that will re-work custom-ordered product after it's been installed.
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Thanks Lee - I edited the post to include the fan. I'm going to keep at that procedure till it works... It had perfect manners on my short commute this morning, then was a little fussy on the way home, so I'm still puzzled. I hope the GuzziDiag software will help. I think I will test the air and oil temperature sensors too - because when I got the bike, the air sensor was relocated and the oil temp sensor was totally disconnected.
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If it was difficult to install, perhaps something else in the exhaust system is out of alignment - or since it was not there before, maybe you don't have all the bits and washers that are supposed to be included. I think the purpose is to reduce vibration and therefore wear at the four pipe connections at the crossover - probably not something you would feel. But it's always a good day for a BRAAAAP.
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Thanks, I went for a canyon raid last night. It was flawless until I went through a series of stoplights after running hard, when it actually stalled at idle once. It was fussy through the town, then I took the freeway home and it idled perfectly again after that. The Kit Racing instructions have ALL CAPS warnings about the exact engine temperature at which certain adjustments (including the CO) should be made. And a final ALL CAP warning about the CO adjustment. Not having a way to measure engine temperature, I guessed. But I will go through it once more when I get the Guzzidiag figured out - and we will see what the story is with the CO. It's getting better and better...
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Good news. I've got it running really sweet, with stable idle, and without hiccups. My test was only 10 miles, but I forced myself to do most of it at low RPMs to give it plenty of opportunity to misbehave. I'm reserving judgement until I have done a few days of commuting, several cold and hot starts, and a proper spirited ride, but I am optimistic. Given this is still my first attempt at tuning a V11, and after reading two sets of instructions, with different sequences, I tried to merge them. Following are my steps, including one that was not on either set of instructions (the Mechanical Balance). I got the idea from something Luhbo mentioned (can't recall where). Tuning Procedure Mechanical Baseline Set intakes to .006” and exhausts to .008” Fresh and correctly gapped spark plugs, clean air filter, clean throttle bodies, etc. TPS Baseline Connect TPS Breakout harness and voltmeter. Back off cold idle speed cam (aka choke cam). Disconnect throttle connecting rod under RH throttle body. Back off RH idle speed screw so it does not touch. Turn on ignition (don’t start). Adjust TPS to read 150mv (turn the TPS unit to adjust). Adjust RH idle speed screw to desired TPS setting: (465mv for Kit Racing ECU on 2002/03 bikes; 521mv for stock ECU; 550mv for Kit Racing ECU on 2001 bikes) Disconnect TPS breakout harness (reconnect wires on bike). Reconnect throttle connecting rod and set LH idle screw so it just makes contact with lever. Warm up the bike, then turn it off. Have a fan available for airflow during remaining tests. Low Speed Vacuum Balance Connect manometer or other vacuum gauge. Close air bypass screws. Disconnect throttle connecting rod. Start engine. Adjust LH idle speed screw until cylinders are balanced. Stop engine. Mechanical Balance (note that this step may not be necessary if bike was already in decent tune) Reconnect throttle connecting rod. Adjust white balance knob until both throttle stop levers make contact to the idle screws. Use the smallest feeler gauge available until it has the same sliding friction on both sides. High Speed Balance: Start engine. Test balance at 2-3,000 RPM Adjust white balance knob for balance at 2-3,000 RPM. Stop engine. Final Idle Speed and Balance Open air bypass screws the same amount on each side. I used 1/2 turn. Start engine. Adjust the air bypass screws until balance is achieved at the desired idle speed. (note - I left one side at 1/2 turn and opened the other side until balance was achieved, this way, both bypass screws will by open a minimum of 1/2 turn) Use LH idle screw to increase idle speed to desired level - (consider adjusting RH idle screw until it makes contact to lever) Stop engine. Get Done Disconnect Manometer. Reattach caps or hoses to vacuum test ports. Reset the cold idle (aka choke) cam. Clean up and go for a ride. So - there's an afternoon project... I've been eager to get the LeMans sorted, because the Scura is due for its first 6,000 mile service. I will try the above tuning process with the Scura too - it's been needing a little more time on the starter button lately, not firing up at first touch. I'd appreciate any corrections or adjustments from you experienced tuners. I tried to document everything, but there may be errors.
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Now there's a proper tire review with awareness of bias/limitations, and plenty of irrational exuberance. I also have a hard time comparing tires - the new tires are always better than the take-offs.
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I recently bought a 2003 that had been down. This welded gear-shift lever was in the box of spare parts. I reinstalled it (after removing a different set up). I also ordered the replacement lever from Harper's, which I am expecting any day now. For your situation, it may be possible to weld the lever if you don't mind it a little shorter (as in the picture). I thought it would bug me, but it works fine. As soon as my new lever arrives, I could be easily persuaded to part with this welded lever, send me a PM if you want it. I don't know your situation, but if the bike has been down, be aware of other potential damage to the related parts. I had a very hard time getting the lever back on until I realized that the long pivot bolt was bent and the frame tab that the pivot bolt goes to was bent. Both bends were very slight, but they were enough to make it impossible to get the bolt started without cross-threading. I pitched the bent pivot bolt, but I also have a spare straight one if you need it.
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Ah... CO, I mis-remembered. That's why I couldn't find it again. I already have the ECU cable and just ordered an OBD2 to USB cable. Just downloaded the GuzziDiag software. This seems to be the thread to figure out what to do with it: http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17865&hl=guzzidiag%C2%A0).&page=1 Throttle bodies recently cleaned, including air bypass screws removed and cleaned. Also found this regarding setup/tuning with the Kit Racing ECU and Titanium exhaust, which does show a different TPS setting than stock system. http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18661 On reading these instructions, it seems that I failed to do all the steps correctly. That makes twice now... but different errors. Third time's the charm?
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I stopped by the local dealer today... On a more serious note: I've gone through the TPS and throttle body balance sequence again. It's "running" beautifully, but not "walking" so well. Idle speed is inconsistent (from about a low of 1,100 to high of 1,700, and most frequently about 1,500) and it seems like it could stall at the lower idle. It burps occasionally around 3,000 to 3,500 RPM. Planned actions and questions: I'm going to replace the throttle cable as soon as it arrives (I recently noticed a frayed strand and bend from previous high-bar mount) Based on another thread I saw today, I think I will disconnect, clean, and reconnect the ECU. Should I be using some different TPS or other settings because of the Kit Racing ECU and pipes? What's the deal with the oxygen settings? I've seen this mentioned a few times, but I don't know what to do or what tools I would need. What else should I be looking at? If anybody has ideas, and there are how-to or other documents, feel free to post a link, rather than re-explain.
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"Darkness on Fire." I like that. Makes me think of the heroine from The Hunger Games. I think a full black and red treatment is probably where this is going cosmetically. I've let go of the white stripe idea. I find working on bikes (and cars) myself to be an enjoyable activity in its own right. But there are other benefits, such as cost savings and the ability to fix something on the road if needed. Downloading some manuals from the fileshare section of this site, or This Old Tractor would be a good start. You can download the shop manual in French at this link: http://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_misc_workshop_manuals___shop_manuals___service_manuals.html
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The above-referenced resources and browsing through the gallery images will help you see what's on the menu. Here's my experience: 2002 Scura: bad engine paint, PEFS (potentially exploding flywheel syndrome), Ohlins suspension (excellent), lots of carbon fiber (which benefits the bike in the same way that a haircut benefits an overweight person), "limited" production, and the matte black... 2003 LeMans in comparison: better wind protection from the frame-mounted fairing, easier to remove tank for service due to different fuel pump and filter arrangement, top of tank is smooth (no raised pad in the middle), Marzocchi/Sachs suspension works, but wants to be upgraded. There are a few other differences, but nothing really big. They're fantastic bikes - and wonderful platforms to customize and make your own. People have been posting ads as they find them in this thread: http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18375&hl=craigslist&page=10
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Update: Brian responded with an apology, a promise to make a stronger bracket, and a discounted price for me to get a paintable belly pan (chin spoiler) for my LeMans along with a replacement fender (and new bracket). The US Dollar has strengthened against the Euro since I originally bought it, so that feels like an even deeper discount. I think this is a fair and acceptable solution. G&B seem like great people, and I'm looking forward to testing the new fender bracket.
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Uh-oh, phase 2 started... Does this red tail piece look familiar? See post #128 of: http://www.v11lemans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=18247&page=9 Thanks Chamberlin.
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If you're just looking for temporary speedo solution that you're not going to throw away, consider using a hand-held GPS. I have an older Garmin GPS 60-series and a RAM mount on the bars. You can choose what data fields to show on the screen, including MPH, trip meter, time of sunset, etc. Might be nice to have a map on the handlebars for your trip too.
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I did mine this way: There's a commercial for a special soldering product (which I don't have). Later, the video shows how to do the strong mechanical connection first (no clips needed). I know there are lots of different ways to join and solder wires. I don't know what's best, but this video made sense to me. FYI - one of the connections will require that you join three wires together. I took the two from the fuse block, twisted them into one, then soldered them to the Maxi fuse holder, which has a much thicker wire than those that originally went to the fuse block. Maybe Roy can advise re best techniques?
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Yep - pretty tricky little setup. You have to relieve pressure on the yellow bars from inside the fuse block, then slide them out. The wires and terminals still have one trick left. They have little metal wings that bend backwards if you just yank 'em out with pliers. Once you see where these are, you can push them in a bit with a small flat screwdriver and they will come apart more easily. The ones I bent were salvageable though, they bent right back into shape. Sorry, I didn't take a picture of that. I replaced the whole fuse block (mine was broken) when I put in the Maxi fuse holder. I got a complete wiring harness from e-bay for $15; it was listed as "for parts only."
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If you want to remove the wires (instead of snip them) you need to remove two yellow plastic bars from the fuse box first, then the wires with the fuse-pin connectors will slide out the bottom of the fuse box. As for soldering, don't count on only the solder to hold it together; get a strong mechanical connection first. Bend bare wires to be connected at 90 degrees, then wrap the bent ends around the straight parts of the opposing wires - resulting in a straight connection (not a stubby T-shape) that the solder can flow into. I used the 3:1 heat shrink tubes that have adhesive inside.
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Review looks promising: http://www.visordown.com/product-features/tested-avon-storm-3d-x-m-tyre-review/24967.html What size are you putting in back? FYI - I've got 5,000 miles on a set of Pirelli Angel GTs. The back is getting close to the wear lines in the center, but still performing well. Front has quite a bit of life left.
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Roy - I've been following your electric advice with good effect so far. I also use a spray-on electronic cleaner before I reassemble and lube electric things, but I don't recall you mentioning it. I assume physical cleaning/abrasion for the contact surfaces is best, but do you have an opinion about the spray-on cleaner for the hard to reach spots?
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Monkey - I am not the electron elite, but I found the thread "Electric Overhaul" helpful. If you already have plenty of ground, maybe you need to upgrade to the Maxi 30-amp fuse on the + side. As for Odyssey - I just pitched a very old Odyssey from a bike that had been sitting a lot. It tested as "replace" but it was still working, so I dumped it before it failed. New Odyssey batteries can be had for $100. +1 on ignition switch advice. I found some frayed strands from one wire in mine that appear to have made contact where they should not.
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Thanks for keeping this updated. I've still got the original flywheel in my Scura and know that some sort of update is looming.
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Thanks guys, the bike cleaned up even better than I hoped, although the paint is not perfect. Here’s another gratuitous photo – cuz what’s better than looking at pictures of bikes? http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m492/timscudder/v11com%20misc%20photos%20posted/LeMans%20Project/IMG_3157.jpg From this angle, you can see how the Ti pipes tuck in. I really like the shape and position of these. I was impressed when he told me he cut them down. That does seem like a tricky job, not one I’d feel comfortable doing. The LH side has some, let’s say, “bonus rivets” when compared to the RH; these contribute “character” to the bike. I don't miss the front crossover exhaust pipe or the winglets on the fairing, nor do I miss the bright orange turn signals lenses, which are morally wrong on red motorcycles. From this angle you can see almost everything else I’ve been thinking about powder coating. A deep bronze, very close to the color of the Moto Guzzi logo on the tank, is available. I’ve been thinking to do: wheels (which have some chips and scratches), alternator cover, valve covers, plug guards, porkchops, and fuel door that color. But darkness is also beckoning and I like the one with the black porkchops in the gallery that I referenced earlier. So maybe everything should go flat black, which is the same as the first batch of powdercoating and the exhaust hangers, passenger pegs, and rear brake master cylinder guard which you can (barely) see in this photo. Is anybody happy with an aftermarket fairing mount mirror? Ideally something that looks a bit lighter and does not have a rubber boot?
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I got a little package of parts delivered yesterday, so was able to get it on the road this weekend. Here's the rest of the sorting out: Retorqued heads along with new valve cover gaskets and O-rings. (had to remove PO's adhesive from one cover... tedious...) Adjusted valves to .006" Intake and .008" Exhaust. Set suspension sag. Went through the TPS and throttle body synch procedure. The TPS breakout harness is really handy - and I got to test my homemade manometer for the first time. Installed clutch and brake switches. Elongated holes in side covers to get them to line up and not rub the tank. Re-glued heat shield under tank Changed transmission and final drive oil - used the Redline Shockproof gear oil. Dang, that stuff is crazy... it was still clinging to the funnel after sitting overnight. Final (I hope) fussing with wire, hose, and cable routing. Took it for a 100-mile shakedown. Here she is in her natural habitat - and returned pretty close to stock. Ride report: Oh man, I love these bikes... (preaching to the choir, right?) It runs sweet and strong. I don't know how much power the Kit Racing ECU and exhaust add, but the sound is rumbly and glorious and makes me think it's faster. Hard to say which changes were most important, but I think getting the small pods off, replacing the stock airbox and putting the sensors back in the right places was probably most important - then the general tune-up stuff. I did notice a few very minor hiccups at idle after running hard, so I think I will go through the TPS and balance procedure once more - making sure it is at full operating temperature this time... like the instructions say... Originally, I was disappointed that the PO cut the Titanium cans down (a few inches shorter), but they're really growing on me, despite the fact that they are a little ratty. As for handling, let's just say I would have been absolutely thrilled if I had never felt the Ohlins. However, I think the Sachs shock is not in good shape - maybe it was crap to begin with, but the fact that it ran for a while with a much shorter spring probably didn't help. So I think I am in the market for a replacement shock. I didn't even think about the Shindy steering damper - so that must mean it's working well. It also needs a front tire. Gauges all working now (but pending new oil pressure sender that will let the gauge start at 0). It's nice to have the volt and oil gauges instead of the warning lights - after reading so much on here about oil pressure and charging issues, the gauges give peace of mind. I now believe that my earlier oil light concern was due to a faulty sensor. So, let's call this Phase One and ride it for a little while.
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Here's a little thing I'm pleased with (and this one's cheap). $10 for a pair of these smoked LED turn signals. They fit really well on the stock fender and are much brighter than the stock signals. I could not get them to fit on the fairing, which was my original plan. Of the four stock signals I had, only two were nice enough to put back on. I originally had the stock (and tinted) signals on the back but moved them to the front. Did you know that you can run LEDs in the back and incandescent up front without changing the flasher unit? I didn't know that, but all four signals are working... lucky me.