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Arriving home (just eleven miles with a stop for fuel), and Relay#5 was cooler yet (126ºF). Lots of variables here, no doubt. But it's easy to be encouraged by something besides just the spec sheet!

InfraRed temperature readings with the new high capacity G8HE relays: New Relay (previous 9 year old G8HN OMRON) #1 88ºF 115ºF #2 112º 115º #3 96º (and rising while in neutral) #4 114º 125º #5 138º 147º (Again, my headlights do not run through the front relays as on factory wired early Sports.) I suppose we could conclude that Relay#5 runs a good 20ºF/7ºC hotter than #4. Yeah, you can feel that difference without putting your lips on it. A "weaker" relay in the #5 position could, theoretically, get even hotter.

Chuck is correct. Only Position #1 *needs* to be 5-pin. Best one to use across the board: G8HE-1C7T-R-DC12 http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/omron-electronics-inc-emc-div/G8HE-1C7T-R-DC12/Z5645-ND/2755412

ooooh - that's High Zoot! As rabbit's feet go, I see there are 10 extra relays in my monkey-paw trap. Little electrical talismen!

And, I just want to go on record about this whole "cage" business: I find it very reassuring to know who's going to get the pizza!

Looks like we're committed to : "Triskaidekaphobic " And this is before the infrared temperature reader comes out and starts scanning relays! (Almost) all traces of this fourteenth-thirteenth business have been obscured . . .

Well . . . this is far more twisted (now) than that . . . There was just no plan to get together in 2005. So . . . this will be the thirteenth *get-together* in fourteen years . . . *knock on wood and all that* BYOgg (Bring Yer Own gris-gris!)

You are using the stock crossover?

I remember Pete Roper talking about "grooming" the exhaust or "de-stressing" it. (can't remember his exact words, as his level of expression is beyond my mortal capabilities ). But, as I recall, loosen every single fastener in the exhaust, then bump, and snug, and tighten in a *star* pattern until the system is where you want it and there is minimal stress on the header pipes at the exhaust ports. Remember, most Guzzi exhaust are *offset* to the right a bit for the drive line.

Wow . . . that"s a great question. I've always thought these were separate issues? Maybe I oughtta put some heat sinks on my Nutcase Aircraft-grade 30 amp Circuit Breaker?

Oh, no-no-no! My clever, young son considered my project and sent me a selection of heat sinks typically used on computer components. Now to try and make some decent science of the IR temperature readings. I've already seen that the heat sinks can extend aft of the #5 Relay without fouling the seat pan.

For the record, I did not make this stuff up myself. This is a compendium of years of observations, measurements, failures, and ongoing input. I learned all this from you guys (much from Kiwi_Roy!), 100,000 miles, and twelve Spine Raids. I'm on my sixth generation relay set. But, it ain't over yet! : Last time I measured the temperature of OMRON G8HN Relay#5, it was ~147ºF. If it is not materially improved with this double rated G8HE OMRON, I will be surprised (and, perhaps, a little disappointed). At which point, all of the stops will be pulled out . . .

Is that not an open invitation for our wittiest and most clever innuendos? I mean you didn't give us all that much to work with. You only said "joints" twice . . . :rasta:

With these now being the best available.... are they better than the NLA G8HN-1C2T-R DC12? I see minor differences in the spec sheet but I can't decipher them. I ask because I recently installed the latter in both my LM's. For continuous current, the G8HN are fine in all positions EXCEPT #5. G8HN OMRON and the latest Panasonc are rated 10 amps NC/ 20 amps NC for continuous current. *Probably* fine in Positions #1-4. G8HE (high current) OMRON is rated 20 amps NC/ 35 amps NO for continuous current. All V11 should use the high current relay in Position #5. And in Position #1 on 1999-2001 V11 that *fail* the "Livin' Easy Test": (continuity from Fuse 5 to Relay #1). G8HE OMRON is rated 20 amps NC/ 35 amps NO for continuous current (about double the G8HN).

That is so-freakin'-gorgeous! I had to re-post the photo. Stunning!!

Oh, man. I didn't know that. Thanks!

It is Griso talking!

More hammers. I love hammers.

Hammers?!?

Wow. 2003: is that not Butch's son, Derek, onstage? Condolences to Derek and all. "Pick up your gear and, gypsy, roll on."

*Best* relay for the V11 has been the High-Current OMRON G8HE-1C7T-R-DC12 , but out of production and hard to source. [rated 20a N.C./ 35a N.O.] >EDIT/ July 2021: Members have reported success sourcing the OMRON from various ebay sellers (see page 12 of this thread). > EDIT/ October 2021: a promising alternative has been discovered by @p6x: CIT A11CSQ12VDC1.5R Data sheet [rated 20 / 30 ] > EDIT/ March 2023: another High Current contender from @Speedfrog: Picker Components PC782-1C-12S-R-X Data Sheet [rated 25 / 30 ] [ Form A (4-pin) relays can be used in positions #2-#5. Only position #1, front/ Start Relay, requires the Form C (5-pin). ] The prevailing wisdom says: use The Very Best 5-Pin relays in all five positions, . . . carry extras for your riding buddies that didn't get the memo . . .

Could be shocking if those posts suddenly appear.

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